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Edit-- s/b my opinions them.
 
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Originally posted by Daniel:
I thought this was particularly good:

"No. This is Democracy, you don't get to tell others that your opinion is the only one that matters. There is a serious debate over this issue with almost half of Democrats (48%) wanting Biden to step aside. Shutting down dissent is the worst approach. Not a single person on either side of this debate is advocating for another Trump presidency."

I'm sure you're entitled to your political opinions when you reach voting age. I was taught voting is a private decision in a Democracy and believe this to this day. And, let's face it, when you're reached a certain age, let's say going on 60, you've survived long enough to have earned your right to an opinion, something that was yours in the first place. I know my opinions aren't always popular here. I don't care. They are only my opinions. Nobody is forced to share my opinions.


I happen to agree with Bernard as well. However, we are all entitled to our own opinions ... including about the opinion of others. If, for example, someone's opinion was that homosexuality was morally wrong, you would have an opinion about their opinion. I would have the same opinion about their opinion. The Gaza war is another example, where I believe it is valid to have an opinion about someone else's opinion. And, who should be the next President. So the question is where to draw the line. For me, the line is where the opinion affects the welfare of others. If something affects the welfare of others, then I think it's OK to have an opinion about someone else's opinion. I don't need to have an opinion about whether someone prefers vanilla or chocolate ice cream.

If you don't want people to have an opinion about how you vote (which, in my view, does affect the welfare of others), there's a simple solution. Don't tell them or give them clues about how you plan to vote or did vote.
 
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The cat is out of the bag.

Parkinson's?
Explains the stiffness, his gait, and some of his speech problems.


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Please note that, while this story appeared in the Guardian, which I consider to be a reputable outlet, they are citing data gathered by the New York Post, which is Fox News and Rupert Murdoch.

In this case, I think it is irresponsible to simply name the source without questioning its veracity.


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I think it is irresponsible to simply name the source without questioning its veracity.


from the Guardian article:

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According to White House visitor logs reviewed by the New York Post, Dr Kevin Cannard, a Parkinson’s disease expert at Walter Reed medical center, met with Dr Kevin O’Connor, a doctor of osteopathic medicine who has treated the president for years.


I clicked the link in the article and saw the record myself. I would assume the Guardian confirmed the details as well before this article. So the numerous visits by this doctor to the WH are vetted.

What we don't know is what they mean. But this is very, very distressing.


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I think it is irresponsible to simply name the source without questioning its veracity.


from the Guardian article:

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According to White House visitor logs reviewed by the New York Post, Dr Kevin Cannard, a Parkinson’s disease expert at Walter Reed medical center, met with Dr Kevin O’Connor, a doctor of osteopathic medicine who has treated the president for years.


I clicked the link in the article and saw the record myself. I would assume the Guardian confirmed the details as well before this article. So the numerous visits by this doctor to the WH are vetted.

What we don't know is what they mean. But this is very, very distressing.


It might be just as well, as far as the election is concerned (but not for Biden, and I feel for him). If it's true, it'll make the decision about whether to withdraw inevitable. There's no hiding this.

If he's going to withdraw, the earlier the better.
 
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If he's going to withdraw, the earlier the better.


Yes! He really needs to get on with it.


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SK,
That's a big assumption. As someone who has worked in a newsroom and had my stories vetted by newspaper editors, I read this section as saying, "The NY Post claims this, but we haven't verified their claims." Otherwise, the Guardian would tell us that they confirmed the information and how they confirmed it.


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I think with something this incendiary, the paper should have taken it upon themselves to independently verify and to find out what it means, before setting off speculations.


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I think with something this incendiary, the paper should have taken it upon themselves to independently verify and to find out what it means, before setting off speculations.


I haven't dug in. Has someone said that they did not?
 
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Super easy to verify. You can check how many times Cannard was at the White House by checking the log yourself. Not surprised it wasn't specifically mentioned as being verified.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/disclosures/visitor-logs/

We don't know why he was there. He may not have even been seeing Biden.

My take is that the media is doing the clickbait thing and putting "Parkinson's expert" and "multiple White House visits" together to get eyeballs reading. Who knows if there's any there, there.

OTOH, Sanjay Gupta, a neurosurgeon, had some interesting observations and commentary.


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For me as a brain specialist, it was concerning to watch President Joe Biden, and it quickly became clear that I was not alone in my reaction. Over the past week, I received more than a dozen calls, texts and emails from medical colleagues who, like me, specialize in the brain. It wasn’t that what we noticed was necessarily new but that it was particularly pronounced, and right from the start of the debate.

From a neurological standpoint, we were concerned with his confused rambling; sudden loss of concentration in the middle of a sentence; halting speech and absence of facial animation, resulting at times in a flat, open-mouthed expression. To be clear, these are only observations, not in any way diagnostic of something deeper, and none of these doctors wished to suggest that was the case.

The consensus from the doctors reaching out to me, however, was that the president should be encouraged to undergo detailed cognitive and movement disorder testing, and those results should be made available to the public.


https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/05...-analysis/index.html


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Yes, we don't know what it means that that doctor made multiple visits to the White House. But in combination with everything else we're observing, and comments like this one from Sanjay Gupta

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the president should be encouraged to undergo detailed cognitive and movement disorder testing, and those results should be made available to the public.


we have more than enough information to be very, very concerned.

And calls for Biden to withdraw are only going to intensify.

There isn't enough time for other measures, there isn't time for speculating about "Parkinson's, does he or doesn't he." The damage was done at the debate, and this kind of news reporting is just making it worse.

Biden needs to do the right thing and step down, get someone else in place with Harris on the ticket, and then put all of his (remaining) energy into getting that ticket elected.


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Person, woman, man, camera, TV?
 
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Originally posted by ShiroKuro:


Biden needs to do the right thing and step down, get someone else in place with Harris on the ticket, and then put all of his (remaining) energy into getting that ticket elected.


As I said, it's really hard, and I feel for him. Imagine taking the car keys away from your parent. Multiply that by about a billion or more.

I've promised myself I'll be realistic and won't kick and scream when the time comes to give up my car keys (or take even more extreme steps). I hope I have the presence of mind to keep that promise.
 
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Bob saw it in Google News which gave the source as the Times of India. ??


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