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Originally posted by Axtremus:
The Atlantic article on Netanyahu:

https://www.theatlantic.com/in...tack-failure/675722/

"The End of Netanyahu"

The article lists Netanyahu's various missteps over the years, argues that Netanyahu should resign right after the war, and predicts that Netanyahu will not be elected into Israeli leadership again.

Non-paywall version:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...etanyahu/ar-AA1iE91Q

Feldman's Fearless Forecast ...

The US is probably urging Israel to forego a land incursion at least until the Dwight D. Eisenhower and its task force is in place in the Arabian Sea or Gulf of Oman. This is to add some deterrence against Iranian adventurism. It'll perform the same task as the Gerald R Ford task force in the eastern Mediterranean.

Movements of the Eisenhower Task Force

I do worry about a terror attack while the ship is in the Suez Canal or in the Red Sea.

It'll probably take two weeks or so for the force to arrive on station near Oman.

I wouldn't put lots of money on Israel waiting that long, but we'll just have to see. The global appetite for the continued preliminary bombing of Gaza is waning, no matter how forcefully (and maybe accurately) the Israelis can claim valid military necessity to destroy the tunnel systems and arms caches.

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Originally posted by CHAS:
Jewish activists calling for a cease fire

That would be great, but why would Hamas agree to it? And even if they did, they can't be trusted to abide by it.

The only leverage would be sparing the lives of Gazans. But Hamas doesn't care about the suffering of their own people, so what's in it for them?

Yesterday watching the Sky news channel, there was an interview with Khaled Meshaal, the ex-leader of Hamas, living in exile in Doha. He is apparently a key negotiator between Hamas/Qatar/Israel.
He denies Hamas killed women and children, says that if there was any killing it definitely wasn't intended; and he refuses to release civilian hostages unconditionally, they are not hostages he says, yet then says Israel would first have to stop all military operations.

It must be nigh on impossible to negotiate with such devious lying murdering terrorists.

Never confuse what these people say in public with what goes on behind closed doors.

That said, I don't see any particular rationale, or set of incentives, pushing Israel to negotiate anything at present. Any hint of a negotiated ceasefire right now would be rightly perceived in Israel as a calamitous national defeat, with lasting repercussions for Israel's deterrence capacity. No government would do that, least of all one headed by someone who understands that he is toast absent Hamas' unconditional surrender or total defeat.

I suspect he's done for no matter what, and I will quietly cheer his political demise whenever this calamitous situation concludes.

It will be interesting to see how the IDF enter Gaza, learn their plan to clear the area, given that the usual crossings will likely be death traps.

They need to wipe out the remaining Hamas and destroy all their weapons.

Did he say the quiet part out loud?

https://youtube.com/shorts/Cmu...?si=dGPwZQUJHuMtBwaR

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Originally posted by AD:
It will be interesting to see how the IDF enter Gaza, learn their plan to clear the area, given that the usual crossings will likely be death traps.

They need to wipe out the remaining Hamas and destroy all their weapons.

Alas, that is much easier said than done. Most military experts I read think that the Israelis are likely to suffer horrific casualties of their own in street to street fighting. Unless, of course, they abandon the rules of war and simply obliterate what's in their path. I think (hope) they won't do that.

You could argue that Hamas are the elected government, so Israel can take Gaza the same way the allies took Berlin.

Hamas must stop the ongoing indiscriminate firing of rockets into Israel cities. Then they must release all the hostages.
Then I'd start a ceasefire and open crossing points.

This isn't going to happen, so the Berlin option is next best.

Daniel that is some twisted carp you came up with there.

They are attacking a civilian population with one of the best militaries on earth.

I don't care about excuses nor rationalizations.

I'm tired of people conflating nothing more than a critique of a state"s policy with being anti-Semitic.

More than half of the kidnapped were foreign citizens. 25% were Thai farm workers.

That seems statistically unlikely, unless Hamas was trying to avoid killing foreigners and saved their mayhem and torture for Israelis.

I might more sympathy for the civilians if they weren’t sheltering terrorists and helping them hide hostages.