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"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

If you look at the thread, you will see lots of people discussing ideas And events. You will see one who posts links to agitprop videos and who cannot argue his way out of a proverbial paper bag. And when this is noted, he cries "ad hominem!"

You will see in the quote from me that you reposted an extended argument with evidence. That's the kind of thinking that seems quite beyond you.

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Originally posted by Piano*Dad:

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"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

If you look at the thread, you will see lots of people discussing ideas And events. You will see one who posts links to agitprop videos and who cannot argues his way out of a proverbial paper bag. And when this is noted, he cries "ad hominem!"

You will see in the quote from me that you reposted an extended argument with evidence. That's the kind of thinking that seems quite beyond you.

You go off on a personal campaign to "talk" about me, in the third person, and, you make personal attacks, repeatedly.

Yes, each and every one of your personal attacks is an ad hominem fallacy.

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“In the weeks since October 7th, overwhelming evidence has emerged that widespread, horrific acts of rape and sexual violence were systematically perpetrated by Hamas attackers against Israeli women and girls during the Oct. 7th assault.”

That was in a statement signed by:

Signed by
Governor Kathy Hochul, New York State

Letitia James, Attorney General, New York State

Hon. Carolyn Maloney, President, National Organization for Women-NY

Gloria Steinem, Writer, Feminist, and Activist

Mariska Hargitay, Founder, Joyful Heart Foundation

Hon. Judy Harris Kluger, Executive Director, Sanctuary for Families

Catharine A. MacKinnon, Professor of Law

Letty Pogrebin, Founding Co-Editor, Ms. Magazine

Jayne Bigelsen, Chief Policy Officer, Women’s Justice NOW

Rachel Foster, Founding Co-Chair, World Without Exploitation

Lauren Hersh, National Director, World Without Exploitation

Jane Manning, Director, Women’s Equal Justice

Alexi Meyers, Co-Chair, New York State Anti-Trafficking Coalition

Sonia Ossorio, Executive Director, National Organization for Women-NYC

Rebecca Zipkin, Policy Director, World Without Exploitation

Lori Cohen, Chief Executive Officer, PACT

Ane Mathieson, Project Director, EMPOWER Center

Christine Pelosi, Co-Founder, We Said Enough

Judi Polson, Chair, NOW-NYS

Anne K. Ream, Founder, The Voices and Faces Project

Maria Trusa, Founder, Yo Digo No Mas

Shannon Watts, Founder Emeritus, Moms Demand Action

Katie Couric

Sheryl Sandberg

Rabbi Sharon Brous, Founder and Chief Rabbi, Ikar Temple

Phyllis Chesler, Emerita Professor of Psychology and Feminist Author

Mandana Dayani, Human Rights Activist

Michele Landis Dauber, Professor of Law

Diane Von Furstenberg

Ashley Judd

Ambassador Eleni Kounalakis, Lieutenant Governor, California

Amy Paulin, New York State Assemblymember

Liz Krueger, New York State Senator

Mimi Rocah, Westchester District Attorney

Joyce Vance, Former U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Alabama

Congressman Ritchie Torres

Congresswoman Grace Meng

Andrea Stewart Cousins, New York State Senate Majority Leader

Carl Heastie, New York State Assembly Speaker

Mayim Bialik

Helen Hunt

Michelle Hurd

Jill Kargman

Téa Leoni

Debra Messing

Seth Meyers

Alysia Reiner

Paul Rudd

Amy Schumer

Jessica Seinfeld

And this list will persuade whom?

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For those still keeping up, here is the current ground conflict map. Israel continues to punch into Khan Younis, presumably because much of the Hamas leadership is in, around, ... and under, that town.

I would not be at all surprised if Hamas decides to renew the "pause" it ended and dangle a few more hostages in exchange for another week to move the pieces around on their diminishing chess board.

Gaza Maps

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Originally posted by Steve Miller:

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Originally posted by ShiroKuro:
I can hardly process how horrible this is, and I'm unable to form coherent opinions about what should be done to stop it.

Flooding/filling in the tunnels might be a good start. There should be plenty of fill dirt left over from when they were constructed.

Tunnels mean sewage ejector pumps. Disabling those might also be a good strategy. Ditto ventilation fans.

Pumping seawater operation beginning

Brilliant!

From what I have read, which admittedly isn’t much, fresh water is scarce in that area and seawater is plentiful. Well water is very scarce and the concerns over groundwater contamination don’t sound particularly compelling. I welcome arguments to the contrary.

Now about those sewage ejector pumps. The electricity to run them has to be coming from somewhere, and someone is paying the power bill. Ditto whatever they’re using for cooking, lighting, and hot water.

Time to cut it off.

The alternatives proposed, gas and explosives, are much more likely to kill the hostages. Dogs can be shot, drones disabled. I view modifying the environment in the tunnels to be the most humane tactic and the one most likely to be successful. I might add that dropping stink bombs down the air shafts - which are apparently easy to find - is another simple, non lethal way to get people out of there.

The bombs have to be stored there along with the trucks that move them around. Ruin them with water or make them impossible to access.

Some problems:

Flooding the tunnels may also permanently affect (ruin) underground water supplies in Gaza. War crime?

Shutting off power and other energy/food sources is contributing to the war crimes charges against the Israeli state. Yes, we've seen the clips of Hamas gunmen commandeering relief trucks, or at least some portion of them. Sigh ....

This is such a complex problem to manage, unless your simple mind is ideologically disposed to see Jews as the always and everywhere problem, or if all you want is "to give peace a chance" ... even if that likely leads to the dissolution of the Israeli state because of emigration as the state is demonstrated to have no capacity to protect its citizens from mass murder.

At some point the civilized world has to make clear that hiding among civilians is not a panacea for attacking us.

My naive hope is the current generation of Gazans will see what their fantasy of destroying Israel has brought them.

It probably is naive.

But it's my hope as well ...

If you don't like me saying it, maybe this NYT explainer will help ...

Proportionality and Discrimination: The Laws of War

Oh, but this is MSM, so it's Jew dominated and supremacist ...

Ground water in Gaza already requires desalination and is now threatened by a collapsing sewer infrastructure.

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Originally posted by Steve Miller:
Ground water in Gaza already requires desalination and is now threatened by a collapsing sewer infrastructure.

Good point.

There is an old quip by Abba Eban about this ... something about never missing an opportunity ...

Poll: 72% of Palestinians ...

.... approve of the Oct. 7th killings.

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Despite the devastation, 57% of respondents in Gaza and 82% in the West Bank (72% overall) believe Hamas was correct in launching the October 7 massacres, the poll indicated.

This is going to be tough to fix.

So I guess they can STFU about the consequences.