11 December 2023, 08:43 AM
Piano*DadIsrael
quote:
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
If you look at the thread, you will see lots of people discussing ideas And events. You will see one who posts links to agitprop videos and who cannot argue his way out of a proverbial paper bag. And when this is noted, he cries "ad hominem!"
You will see in the quote from me that you reposted an extended argument with evidence. That's the kind of thinking that seems quite beyond you.
11 December 2023, 11:12 AM
Danielquote:
Originally posted by Piano*Dad:
quote:
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
If you look at the thread, you will see lots of people discussing ideas And events. You will see one who posts links to agitprop videos and who cannot argues his way out of a proverbial paper bag. And when this is noted, he cries "ad hominem!"
You will see in the quote from me that you reposted an extended argument with evidence. That's the kind of thinking that seems quite beyond you.
You go off on a personal campaign to "talk" about me, in the third person, and, you make personal attacks, repeatedly.
Yes, each and every one of your personal attacks is an ad hominem fallacy.
12 December 2023, 07:35 AM
QuirtEvansquote:
“In the weeks since October 7th, overwhelming evidence has emerged that widespread, horrific acts of rape and sexual violence were systematically perpetrated by Hamas attackers against Israeli women and girls during the Oct. 7th assault.”
That was in a statement signed by:
Signed by
Governor Kathy Hochul, New York State
Letitia James, Attorney General, New York State
Hon. Carolyn Maloney, President, National Organization for Women-NY
Gloria Steinem, Writer, Feminist, and Activist
Mariska Hargitay, Founder, Joyful Heart Foundation
Hon. Judy Harris Kluger, Executive Director, Sanctuary for Families
Catharine A. MacKinnon, Professor of Law
Letty Pogrebin, Founding Co-Editor, Ms. Magazine
Jayne Bigelsen, Chief Policy Officer, Women’s Justice NOW
Rachel Foster, Founding Co-Chair, World Without Exploitation
Lauren Hersh, National Director, World Without Exploitation
Jane Manning, Director, Women’s Equal Justice
Alexi Meyers, Co-Chair, New York State Anti-Trafficking Coalition
Sonia Ossorio, Executive Director, National Organization for Women-NYC
Rebecca Zipkin, Policy Director, World Without Exploitation
Lori Cohen, Chief Executive Officer, PACT
Ane Mathieson, Project Director, EMPOWER Center
Christine Pelosi, Co-Founder, We Said Enough
Judi Polson, Chair, NOW-NYS
Anne K. Ream, Founder, The Voices and Faces Project
Maria Trusa, Founder, Yo Digo No Mas
Shannon Watts, Founder Emeritus, Moms Demand Action
Katie Couric
Sheryl Sandberg
Rabbi Sharon Brous, Founder and Chief Rabbi, Ikar Temple
Phyllis Chesler, Emerita Professor of Psychology and Feminist Author
Mandana Dayani, Human Rights Activist
Michele Landis Dauber, Professor of Law
Diane Von Furstenberg
Ashley Judd
Ambassador Eleni Kounalakis, Lieutenant Governor, California
Amy Paulin, New York State Assemblymember
Liz Krueger, New York State Senator
Mimi Rocah, Westchester District Attorney
Joyce Vance, Former U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Alabama
Congressman Ritchie Torres
Congresswoman Grace Meng
Andrea Stewart Cousins, New York State Senate Majority Leader
Carl Heastie, New York State Assembly Speaker
Mayim Bialik
Helen Hunt
Michelle Hurd
Jill Kargman
Téa Leoni
Debra Messing
Seth Meyers
Alysia Reiner
Paul Rudd
Amy Schumer
Jessica Seinfeld
12 December 2023, 10:10 AM
Piano*DadAnd this list will persuade whom?
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For those still keeping up, here is the current ground conflict map. Israel continues to punch into Khan Younis, presumably because much of the Hamas leadership is in, around, ... and under, that town.
I would not be at all surprised if Hamas decides to renew the "pause" it ended and dangle a few more hostages in exchange for another week to move the pieces around on their diminishing chess board.
Gaza Maps12 December 2023, 10:49 PM
Steve MillerBrilliant!
From what I have read, which admittedly isn’t much, fresh water is scarce in that area and seawater is plentiful. Well water is very scarce and the concerns over groundwater contamination don’t sound particularly compelling. I welcome arguments to the contrary.
Now about those sewage ejector pumps. The electricity to run them has to be coming from somewhere, and someone is paying the power bill. Ditto whatever they’re using for cooking, lighting, and hot water.
Time to cut it off.
The alternatives proposed, gas and explosives, are much more likely to kill the hostages. Dogs can be shot, drones disabled. I view modifying the environment in the tunnels to be the most humane tactic and the one most likely to be successful. I might add that dropping stink bombs down the air shafts - which are apparently easy to find - is another simple, non lethal way to get people out of there.
The bombs have to be stored there along with the trucks that move them around. Ruin them with water or make them impossible to access.
13 December 2023, 08:43 AM
Piano*DadSome problems:
Flooding the tunnels may also permanently affect (ruin) underground water supplies in Gaza. War crime?
Shutting off power and other energy/food sources is contributing to the war crimes charges against the Israeli state. Yes, we've seen the clips of Hamas gunmen commandeering relief trucks, or at least some portion of them. Sigh ....
This is such a complex problem to manage, unless your simple mind is ideologically disposed to see Jews as the always and everywhere problem, or if all you want is "to give peace a chance" ... even if that likely leads to the dissolution of the Israeli state because of emigration as the state is demonstrated to have no capacity to protect its citizens from mass murder.
13 December 2023, 09:14 AM
MikhailohAt some point the civilized world has to make clear that hiding among civilians is not a panacea for attacking us.
My naive hope is the current generation of Gazans will see what their fantasy of destroying Israel has brought them.
13 December 2023, 06:33 PM
Steve Millerquote:
Despite the devastation, 57% of respondents in Gaza and 82% in the West Bank (72% overall) believe Hamas was correct in launching the October 7 massacres, the poll indicated.
This is going to be tough to fix.