well-temperedforum.groupee.net    The Well-Tempered Forum  Hop To Forum Categories  Off Key    Condo building collapse in Miami
Page 1 2 3 4 5 

Moderators: QuirtEvans, pianojuggler, wtg
Go
New
Find
Notify
Tools
Reply
  
Condo building collapse in Miami
 Login/Join
 
Has Achieved Nirvana
Picture of wtg
posted Hide Post
You make them every day. Seemingly meaningless decisions. And one day...

quote:
He wanted to head home to Champlain Towers. His girlfriend wanted him to stay. She may have saved his life.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...r-AALwXxA?li=BBnb7Kz


--------------------------------
When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

 
Posts: 38221 | Location: Somewhere in the middle | Registered: 19 January 2010Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Beatification Candidate
Picture of big al
posted Hide Post
It's hard to understand how we survive or die by chance or providence day after day.

My wife has relatives who were delayed in traffic in Paris and missed a flight to return to the USA, only to watch out out of the terminal windows as the plane they were supposed to be on crashed and burned with no survivors.

Vaya con dios.

Big Al


--------------------------------
Money seems to buy the most happiness when you give it away.

Why does everything have to be so complicated, all in the name of convenience. -ShiroKuro

A lifetime of experience will change a person. If it doesn't, then you're already dead inside. -MarkJ

 
Posts: 7466 | Location: Western PA | Registered: 20 April 2005Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Has Achieved Nirvana
Picture of wtg
posted Hide Post
quote:
There was nothing unusual about the lobby and pool area at Champlain Towers South condo, which looked clean and well maintained to a commercial pool contractor who visited the building last Tuesday, just 36 hours before half of the building unexpectedly collapsed. Then, he saw the basement-level garage.

“There was standing water all over the parking garage,” the contractor, who asked not to be named, told the Miami Herald. He noted cracking concrete and severely corroded rebar under the pool.

He also took photos, which he shared with the Herald.


Photos here:

https://www.miamiherald.com/ne...rticle252421658.html

I think the picture of what happened may be getting clearer....


--------------------------------
When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

 
Posts: 38221 | Location: Somewhere in the middle | Registered: 19 January 2010Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Has Achieved Nirvana
Picture of Steve Miller
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by wtg:
quote:
There was nothing unusual about the lobby and pool area at Champlain Towers South condo, which looked clean and well maintained to a commercial pool contractor who visited the building last Tuesday, just 36 hours before half of the building unexpectedly collapsed. Then, he saw the basement-level garage.

“There was standing water all over the parking garage,” the contractor, who asked not to be named, told the Miami Herald. He noted cracking concrete and severely corroded rebar under the pool.

He also took photos, which he shared with the Herald.


Photos here:

https://www.miamiherald.com/ne...rticle252421658.html

I think the picture of what happened may be getting clearer....


That concrete beam over the electrical equipment! HairRaising


--------------------------------
Life is short. Play with your dog.

 
Posts: 35084 | Location: Hooterville, OH | Registered: 23 April 2005Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Does This Avatar Make My Butt Look Big?

Minor Deity
Picture of Cindysphinx
posted Hide Post
Wouldn’t it take more than a few corroded concrete beams to have a whole building fail?
 
Posts: 19833 | Location: A cluttered house in Metro D.C. | Registered: 20 April 2005Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Has Achieved Nirvana
Picture of wtg
posted Hide Post
I think it would. The few corroded concrete beams we've seen pics of may just be a surface symptom of much more significant and pervasive structural weakness.

Lots of possible factors have been identified already. Seawater intrusion causing widespread deterioration of the supporting substrate and of the rebar in the concrete, poor design, and construction work in an adjacent building are among the ones I've heard about.

As with other structure collapses, it will take some time to determine exactly why this building came down as it did.


--------------------------------
When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

 
Posts: 38221 | Location: Somewhere in the middle | Registered: 19 January 2010Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Has Achieved Nirvana
Picture of Steve Miller
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by Cindysphinx:
Wouldn’t it take more than a few corroded concrete beams to have a whole building fail?


It would depend on where they are. If the beam you can see in the picture looks like that you can be sure there are others.


--------------------------------
Life is short. Play with your dog.

 
Posts: 35084 | Location: Hooterville, OH | Registered: 23 April 2005Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Has Achieved Nirvana
Picture of wtg
posted Hide Post
quote:
Nearly a week since the horrible collapse of the Champlain Towers South, a new video has emerged showing the building moments before it went down.

In the video, the camera is pointed at the garage of the building, and water and debris can be seen falling.

This is significant because it potentially corroborates reports from a valet and resident of the building who described the same scene on the morning of the collapse.

It also fits in with an engineer’s report from 2018 that documents corroding rebar and failing concrete in the same garage area.

The video, which can be seen at the top of this page, was taken at 1:18 a.m. on Thursday, June 24.

It was less than ten minutes later when a large portion of the residential building came crumbling to the ground.

Search and rescue efforts have been going on around the clock since that morning. So far, officials have confirmed that 18 people have died while 145 remain unaccounted for.


https://www.local10.com/news/l...e-building-collapse/


--------------------------------
When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

 
Posts: 38221 | Location: Somewhere in the middle | Registered: 19 January 2010Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Has Achieved Nirvana
Picture of Daniel
posted Hide Post
145 missing?

Omg
 
Posts: 25315 | Registered: 31 March 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Has Achieved Nirvana
Picture of wtg
posted Hide Post
Frowner

quote:
A week after the partial collapse of a Miami Beach-area condo building, search and rescue crews paused their work early Thursday over fears that the other half of the building might come down.

Miami-Dade County Mayor Daniella Levine Cava said operations were halted over "concerns about the standing structure." She said the families of those missing were informed, and the "search and rescue operation will continue as soon as it is safe to do so."

Fire Chief Alan R. Cominsky said "slight movement in the concrete floor slabs near north and south corner of the building that could cause additional failure of the building moving in the debris pile" forced the temporary stop at 2:11 a.m.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/u...-halted-due-n1272891


--------------------------------
When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

 
Posts: 38221 | Location: Somewhere in the middle | Registered: 19 January 2010Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Has Achieved Nirvana
Picture of wtg
posted Hide Post
They're taking the rest of the building down before the tropical storm hits.

https://www.usatoday.com/story...36-hours/7851388002/


--------------------------------
When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

 
Posts: 38221 | Location: Somewhere in the middle | Registered: 19 January 2010Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Has Achieved Nirvana
Picture of wtg
posted Hide Post
quote:
Engineers who have visited or examined photos of the wreckage of the Champlain Towers South condominium complex have been struck by a possible flaw in its construction: Critical places near the base of the building appeared to use less steel reinforcement than called for in the project’s original design drawings....

Reached by phone, Allyn E. Kilsheimer, a forensic engineering expert hired by the town of Surfside to investigate the collapse, said the investigation was still in its early stages. But he confirmed there were signs that the amount of steel used to connect concrete slabs below a parking deck to the building’s vertical columns might be less than what the project’s initial plans specified.

“The bars might not be arranged like the original drawings call for,” Mr. Kilsheimer said in an interview. He said he would need to inspect the rubble more closely to determine whether in fact the slab-to-column connections contained less steel than expected.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/0...pse-steel-rebar.html


--------------------------------
When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

 
Posts: 38221 | Location: Somewhere in the middle | Registered: 19 January 2010Reply With QuoteReport This Post
(self-titled) semi-posting lurker
Minor Deity
Picture of ShiroKuro
posted Hide Post
quote:
They're taking the rest of the building down before the tropical storm hits.


I am sure that's the right thing to do, but I feel so bad for the folks who escaped with their lives and now will never be able to retrieve things they left behind.

It certainly pales in comparison to those who lost their lives, and the families they left behind. But it still makes a hard situation harder.

quote:
he confirmed there were signs that the amount of steel used to connect concrete slabs below a parking deck to the building’s vertical columns might be less than what the project’s initial plans specified.


Wow. I hope they will eventually be able to have some fairly solid confirmation about this.

I hate to think of how family members are feeling as these bits and pieces of information trickle out.

It's just heartbreaking.


--------------------------------
My piano recordings at Box.Net: https://app.box.com/s/j4rgyhn72uvluemg1m6u

 
Posts: 18860 | Location: not in Japan any more | Registered: 20 April 2005Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Has Achieved Nirvana
Picture of wtg
posted Hide Post
I figured this would be the next thing to happen.

quote:
'Should We Sell?' After Collapse, Hot Florida Market Faces Uncertainty


NYT article, but no paywall....

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sel...arket-115748962.html


--------------------------------
When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

 
Posts: 38221 | Location: Somewhere in the middle | Registered: 19 January 2010Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Has Achieved Nirvana
Picture of Steve Miller
posted Hide Post
quote:
“No one ever asked about a 40-year recertification before,” Ines Hegedus-Garcia, a real estate agent with Avanti Way Realty in South Florida, said of the process of assessing the structural condition of buildings constructed decades ago. “Nobody ever did that, but buyers are now asking for that.”


Wouldn't you expect lenders and insurance companies to ask about that?


--------------------------------
Life is short. Play with your dog.

 
Posts: 35084 | Location: Hooterville, OH | Registered: 23 April 2005Reply With QuoteReport This Post
  Powered by Social Strata Page 1 2 3 4 5  
 

    well-temperedforum.groupee.net    The Well-Tempered Forum  Hop To Forum Categories  Off Key    Condo building collapse in Miami