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Originally posted by jon-nyc:

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Originally posted by QuirtEvans:
The Des Moines Register disagrees with Jon.

She’s the candidate for educated people who don’t think too deeply. So the mainstream press is basically her base.

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Originally posted by jon-nyc:
I think you’re wrong on two fronts. She’s no moderate. Secondly, to appreciate her as the woman ‘with a plan for that’ you really have to avoid looking too deeply at the plan and it’s easily foreseeable unintended consequences. Crucially, you have to ignore incentive effects. Really, you have to just read her stated goals for the plan and judge it based on those. Fortunately for her, that’s as far as most people get.

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Originally posted by Nina:
This article bugs me. He glosses over Trump's obvious shortcomings, but hammers Warren for being untruthful, as he gives Sanders credit for his "honesty." His primary argument seems to be that Trump hasn't done anything "really bad," but he primarily means economically. He gives lip service to the damage Trump "might" have done to our governmental systems, but only discusses NATO, Russian sanctions, and immigration. My favorite is the little caveat he gives himself, "Has he significantly supressed the press?" Um, what would constitute significant in his mind? And are ineffective attempts to suppress the press A-OK?

And, of course, the reason why he "let" the house impeach him is because he had no power to stop it. You can bet he tried, through intimidation, obstruction and deceit. Yet he doesn't acknowledge that the same limitations (needing to pass legislation through the house and the senate) would also be in play for any Democratic POTUS, including Warren and Sanders.

The Dems have rightly been chastised for their "sky is falling" rhetoric against Trump. The same can be said for this.

This sentence sums up his narcissistic view: "Yet for the overwhelming majority of Americans, life is pretty much the same under Trump as it was under Obama." Oh, OK. Yes, it's true that the overwhelming majority of Americans aren't minorities, in poverty, or unemployed. Booyah. I guess we're done here. Life is good, no harm done, nothing to see, move along.

Harrumph.

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Originally posted by jon-nyc:
I think you’re wrong on two fronts. She’s no moderate. Secondly, to appreciate her as the woman ‘with a plan for that’ you really have to avoid looking too deeply at the plan and it’s easily foreseeable unintended consequences. Crucially, you have to ignore incentive effects. Really, you have to just read her stated goals for the plan and judge it based on those. Fortunately for her, that’s as far as most people get.

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The idea that anyone would vote for trump that doesn't actually want him to be president is perhaps even more horrifying than that there are actually people stupid enough to want him in office.

Jon, wth can you be thinking?

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Originally posted by jon-nyc:

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The idea that anyone would vote for trump that doesn't actually want him to be president is perhaps even more horrifying than that there are actually people stupid enough to want him in office.

Jon, wth can you be thinking?

Yikes!!! I was really really clear, even replied to my own first post to clarify, this is not about voting for Trump (Stephens was clear too). It’s about choosing ‘none of the above’. In practice that’s a write in or a 3rd party candidate. As I said, I can do that guilt free in a deep blue state.


Funny, though, your sentence that I quoted also fits (for me anyway) if you substitute ’Bernie’ or ‘Warren’. On principle I can’t affirm either of them with my vote.


To your question whom would I support? Buttigieg, Yang, Biden, Bloomberg, Steyer, Klobuchar. I would have supported Harris and Booker. Really anybody but Bernie or Warren.

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If your conscience bothers you so much, then think of yourself not as voting FOR warren or Sanders but as voting AGAINST Trump.

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If your conscience bothers you so much, then think of yourself not as voting FOR warren or Sanders but as voting AGAINST Trump.

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this is not about voting for Trump (Stephens was clear too). It’s about choosing ‘none of the above’. In practice that’s a write in or a 3rd party candidate. As I said, I can do that guilt free in a deep blue state.

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Originally posted by ShiroKuro:

This is an "all hands on deck" moment. If anyone is serious about getting Trump out of office, they need to be ready to vote for the Dem nominee, full stop.