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"I've got morons on my team."

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Would a pebble do that? I don't know.


Highly unlikely.

I understand that the investigation needs to be thorough, and that releasing tidbits of information would only fuel rampant speculation, but, well, the absence of information does the same thing.

We're told that Hutchins said "I can't feel my legs." That suggests a big damn bullet severed her spine, likely created a good sized exit hole, and then hit the director but with less force. Just speculation, of course.

Quite some pebble!
 
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Sheriff had press conference. He said that they have the shell casing and that a lead projectile was extracted from the director's shoulder by medical personnel and turned over to the authorities. Also that "other live ammunition" was found on the set.

Investigation ongoing.


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Everyone deserves to go to work knowing they’ll be able to return home safely.


That's a safety mantra, and why OSHA exists. I've been involved with construction projects and industrial workplaces for my entire professional career. A safety discipline is not necessarily easy to instill or enforce, but it's essential to prevent results like this. During a safety presentation at a previous employer, the safety officer cited a statistic that has stuck with me ever since. He said, "For every jobsite fatality, there are 20,000 unsafe actions that take place."

There is a constant temptation to take chances or cut corners to save time, money, or whatever and it takes very intentional work to see that this doesn't take place. I fully expect that as the investigation unfolds, there will be multiple places in the sequence of events where a safe decision could have been made but was overruled by some such considerations. It is often only after the tragedy occurs that people realize that laws. regulations. rules, and protocols exist precisely to prevent such tragedies and not to make their life and work more difficult or time-consuming.

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"I've got morons on my team."

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t is often only after the tragedy occurs that people realize that laws. regulations. rules, and protocols exist precisely to prevent such tragedies and not to make their life and work more difficult or time-consuming.


NASA rediscovered this after Challenger. They should have learned after Apollo 1, but didn't.
 
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Lead Projectile Recovered ...

Blanks and pebbles are absolved!

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He said the round extracted from Souza’s shoulder appeared to be the same one that killed Hutchins, but that the medical investigator would need to confirm as much.


Ah, the single bullet theory! Where have we heard that? Wink
 
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Could have been an error in manufacture. Or in purchasing.

Here’s the thing I wonder about.

In police training, officers use guns colored ref or blue so there is no mixup.

Is there any reason real ammunition isn’t a different color from blanks? That would help prevent someone from making a mistake.
 
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t is often only after the tragedy occurs that people realize that laws. regulations. rules, and protocols exist precisely to prevent such tragedies and not to make their life and work more difficult or time-consuming.


NASA rediscovered this after Challenger. They should have learned after Apollo 1, but didn't.

Institutional memory is short. And what doomed the Challenger was complacency, more specifically, "normalization of deviance". They were told not to launch below a certain temperature. They had repeatedly launched below the minimum temperature, then at lower and lower temperatures without anything going wrong (there was evidence that the O-rings were failing at these lower temperatures). Until something did go wrong. Continually pushing the envelope and ignoring the experts will eventually get you in trouble.

It was also an apparent case of management overriding the opinions and decisions of the engineers.

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[During a conference call the night before the launch] Morton Thiokol engineers expressed their concerns about the effect of low temperatures on the resilience of the rubber O-rings. As the colder temperatures lowered the elasticity of the rubber O-rings, the engineers feared that the O-rings would not be extruded to form a seal at the time of launch. The engineers argued that they did not have enough data to determine if the O-rings would seal at temperatures colder than 53 °F (12 °C), the coldest launch of the Space Shuttle to date. Robert Lund, the Vice President of Engineering at Morton Thiokol, stated that the launch should not occur until the temperature was above 53 °F (12 °C), and was supported by Joe Kilminster, the Vice President of the Space Booster Programs at Morton Thiokol.

The teleconference held a recess to allow for offline discussion for Morton Thiokol management. When it resumed, Morton Thiokol leadership had changed their opinion and stated that the evidence presented on the failure of the O-rings was inconclusive and that there was a substantial margin of error in the event of a failure or erosion. They stated that their decision was to proceed with the launch. Morton Thiokol leadership submitted a recommendation for launch, and the teleconference ended. Lawrence Mulloy, the NASA SRB project manager, subsequently called Arnold Aldrich, the NASA Mission Management Team Leader, to discuss the launch decision and weather concerns, but did not mention the O-ring discussion; the two agreed to proceed with the launch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...r#Decision_to_launch

There is a problem determination method called Apollo Root-Cause Analysis. The "Apollo" name comes from the rocket. I've taken classes in it and participated in several analyses. It was sort of the default method at the NFFMCo.

I have heard that every employee of JAL must visit the Safety Promotion Center once a year so the memory is regularly refreshed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_Promotion_Center


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Armorer says "not her fault"

Pushes blame on unnamed "producers."

Clearly in her interest for her lawyers to be aggressively pushing this line in public.

I'll wait for more facts to emerge from the investigation.
 
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Well, some journalist (or stringer) is geography challenged.

 
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