How/why does one get two US passports, and why is that relevant?

Either way, she is unlikely to get much sympathy in the USA, whether she's tried for treason or whatever the charge would be (hate crimes? terrorism?) she would be entitled to as a US citizen. It's an interesting legal question, even for non-legal types like myself.

I don't know of any reason a person must be physically in the country to file suit. She just needs a lawyer, I think.

Not sure what " next friend" would mean here.

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Originally posted by QuirtEvans:

As I have said, I don't have a problem with admitting her into the U.S. and then charging her with treason ... assuming she was a U.S. citizen. My issue is that the Trump Administration's attitude seems to be, "We don't like you or what you did, so you aren't welcome", without regard to her citizenship. That's not right. U.S. citizens have a right to return home. And then they can be charged with a crime, if they've committed a crime. If she's a U.S. citizen, "go away" is the wrong answer.

According to this report: "The Obama administration initially determined she was not a citizen and notified her family that it was revoking her passport in January 2016."

I do not know why or how that initial determination was made in January 2016, but the Trump administration's determination of her non-citizenship status does not appear novel.

January 2016?

Motion to dismiss on statute of limitations grounds?

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Originally posted by Nina:
How/why does one get two US passports, and why is that relevant?

Either way, she is unlikely to get much sympathy in the USA, whether she's tried for treason or whatever the charge would be (hate crimes? terrorism?) she would be entitled to as a US citizen. It's an interesting legal question, even for non-legal types like myself.

When one expires?

There have been plenty of unsympathetic people who were parties to lawsuits to protect our Constitutional rights.

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Originally posted by Cindysphinx:

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Originally posted by Axtremus:

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Originally posted by QuirtEvans:

As I have said, I don't have a problem with admitting her into the U.S. and then charging her with treason ... assuming she was a U.S. citizen. My issue is that the Trump Administration's attitude seems to be, "We don't like you or what you did, so you aren't welcome", without regard to her citizenship. That's not right. U.S. citizens have a right to return home. And then they can be charged with a crime, if they've committed a crime. If she's a U.S. citizen, "go away" is the wrong answer.

According to this report: "The Obama administration initially determined she was not a citizen and notified her family that it was revoking her passport in January 2016."

I do not know why or how that initial determination was made in January 2016, but the Trump administration's determination of her non-citizenship status does not appear novel.

January 2016?

Motion to dismiss on statute of limitations grounds?

Can you cite the statute of limitations for a claim of citizenship wrongly denied, please?

Nope.

If you want to retain me to do that research, PM me.

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Nope.

If you want to retain me to do that research, PM me.

As I thought. You were making it up.

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Originally posted by Nina:
How/why does one get two US passports, and why is that relevant?

I don't know how it is relevant, but you can get a second passport by asking for one. Most of the people I work with have two because they travel a LOT, all over the world. Some countries take a couple weeks to issue a visa -- or a week if you pay them a large amount of money, plus at least a day each way for your passport to travel to their embassy and back. If you need to travel somewhere else that week, you need a second passport to use while you first one is being endorsed.

Also, there are some countries that will not issue you a visa or allow you to enter their country if you have been in certain other countries. Having two passports allows you to have one for travelling to Mushidonia, and a second one for countries that won't let you in if you've ever been to Mushidonia.

she is on both CNN and MSNBC

Ready to go to jail to come back

Have heard that father was no longer a diplomat when she was born, so her citizenship should be recognized.

I don't want her here.

But there are many things I don't want of late.

Oh, so the issue of two passports is really irrelevant. Of course people have multiple passports, because they do expire, get lost, whatevs. I assumed that wasn't worth mentioning, therefore the fact that she had two passports meant something more.

I wonder if she also had two library cards?

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Originally posted by Nina:
Oh, so the issue of two passports is really irrelevant. Of course people have multiple passports, because they do expire, get lost, whatevs. I assumed that wasn't worth mentioning, therefore the fact that she had two passports meant something more.

I wonder if she also had two library cards?

Well, there are two possibilities here.

One, her family mentions it because they're grasping at straws.

And two, it's possible (let me say up front, I have no idea) that the Passport Service does a rough review each time they reissue a passport, and therefore the fact that she was issued a passport a second time has some degree of relevance.

(If someone has any idea whether the Passport Service does or does not conduct any sort of review when reissuing a passport, please say so; otherwise, we're all just speculating.)

Correct. We’re all just speculating. What better place to do it than a discussion board?

Since we're all just speculating , my anecdote involves Mr. Nina's damaged/destroyed passport. While traveling internationally, his passport got wrecked. (I honestly don't remember why, maybe laundry...?) Anyhow, he happened to be in a major city, went to the US embassy, explained his tale of woe and received a new passport in 48 hours. So I doubt there was much in the way of scrutiny there. (Though he does have a huge international travel history, is a member of global entry, yada yada).

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Originally posted by Nina:
Since we're all just speculating , my anecdote involves Mr. Nina's damaged/destroyed passport. While traveling internationally, his passport got wrecked. (I honestly don't remember why, maybe laundry...?) Anyhow, he happened to be in a major city, went to the US embassy, explained his tale of woe and received a new passport in 48 hours. So I doubt there was much in the way of scrutiny there. (Though he does have a huge international travel history, is a member of global entry, yada yada).

Still speculating, but it’s possible that the standards for renewal and replacement are different.

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Originally posted by Cindysphinx:
Correct. We’re all just speculating. What better place to do it than a discussion board?

As long as we all make it clear that we are speculating, and not speaking from knowledge.