I feel compelled to note that I've decided not to vote for Elizabeth Warren.

You?

If she's the nominee against Trump, I will vote for her. Full stop.

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Originally posted by Mary Anna:
If she's the nominee against Trump, I will vote for her. Full stop.

Plus a hundred gazillion.

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Originally posted by Mary Anna:
If she's the nominee against Trump, I will vote for her. Full stop.

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Originally posted by Daniel:
I feel compelled to note that I've decided not to vote for Elizabeth Warren.

You?

Please no!

A "no" vote, or a vote for a 3rd party candidate is a vote for more of the tRumpublican madness...

Ditto. I'll vote for the nominee.

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Originally posted by rontuner:

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Originally posted by Daniel:
I feel compelled to note that I've decided not to vote for Elizabeth Warren.

You?

Please no!

A "no" vote, or a vote for a 3rd party candidate is a vote for more of the tRumpublican madness...

But there is no "no" vote!

Mark this day well. Daniel and I agree.

You’re both wrong. You should be more used to it than Daniel.

Daniel and I live in solid blue states. We can not vote for a particular nominee.

I couldn’t pull a lever for her or Bernie. And in NY there’s no risk to that. And as an added bonus, it really pisses Quirt off.

Mmmm, I'm giving her a second look. As best I can tell, she has charisma, and charisma wins elections.

Jon, I wouldn't worry too much about her more nutty proposals. None of that stuff will get past the senate, so there is nothing to fear.

I really do not like Bernie, but I would pull the lever for him even though I live in a blue state. I would do it on principle.

And that principle is that Dems need to stop acting like morons and doing things that help *horrible* people get elected.

I say any Dem who doesn't step up and vote for the Dem nominee shares the responsibility for our country's failure to address climate change, the roll-back of abortion protection, gerrymandering, and voter suppression.

For starters.

Ok, yes I understand being in a blue state myself that it really doesn't matter if I vote for the Dem candidate at the top or not...

But I think part of what went wrong last time had to do with the lack of enthusiasm for Clinton once she became the nominee. (I wasn't very helpful there) As much as I hate the tribalism of the tRumpublican party, I think many of us could learn from them in winning elections.

Wow, good points, Ron.

Mik, do you think Republicans are more or less tribal than Democrats? I really wonder about this.

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Originally posted by Cindysphinx:

I wouldn't worry too much about her more nutty proposals. None of that stuff will get past the senate, so there is nothing to fear.

I really do not like Bernie, but I would pull the lever for him even though I live in a blue state. I would do it on principle.

And that principle is that Dems need to stop acting like morons and doing things that help *horrible* people get elected.

I say any Dem who doesn't step up and vote for the Dem nominee shares the responsibility for our country's failure to address climate change, the roll-back of abortion protection, gerrymandering, and voter suppression.

For starters.

All of this is exactly right.

People in blue states don't have the luxury of opting out of this choice, because it'll just encourage people in other places ... places where every vote matters ... to do likewise.

And, if you really are going to refuse to vote for the Democratic nominee ... just shut the hell up about it. Don't encourage others to follow that kind of lead.

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Originally posted by Daniel:
Wow, good points, Ron.

Mik, do you think Republicans are more or less tribal than Democrats? I really wonder about this.

Not one iota less. The difference is the GOP holds the office today. That will be hard to give up on. In 2016 the office was going to change and the assumption was Clinton would win. 2020 is very different, although I think there is still a “surely he could’t win TWICE” assumption that is a problem for Democrats.