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Pinta & the Santa Maria Has Achieved Nirvana |
I am so discouraged that we continue to have this sort of argument. Yes, of course you are well within your rights to not vote, but ultimately our choices are limited to whoever makes it on the final ballot. In my mind, virtually anyone is preferable than Trump, and simply withholding my vote doesn't make sense. I will actively vote against Trump. Full stop. (Please don't start throwing out ridiculous hypotheticals... would you vote for Hitler instead of Trump....? ) Anyhow, I live in a blue state and I will definitely vote. I'm also concerned that the idea that you won't cast a vote for the top of the ticket leads to simply sitting out an election, and there are other important races, initiatives, bonds, etc., that are likely to be on the ballot. | |||
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Has Achieved Nirvana |
Not a worry in my case. I would never forego an opportunity to vote against Trump. Or Warren. Also I’m one of those people who votes in all the elections, even village stuff.
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czarina Has Achieved Nirvana |
Why are you so dead set against Warren?
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czarina Has Achieved Nirvana |
Hmmm. I just took a look at her NYT video interview, and I do not see charisma. Her personality is grating. Her voice is grating. I might agree with her 100 percent but I won't find out because I can't stand to listen to her. The field just dramatically narrowed for me after listening to the interviews (I didn't listen to all of them, and Biden--in his arrogance?--declined to be interviewed as part of this series). I had hoped to like Bullock better. He's very good on issues and presentation. But Buttigieg is head and tails above the lot of them.
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Minor Deity |
I would have no difficulty voting for Warren.
Warren Emerges as Potential Compromise Nominee
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Minor Deity |
And of course Sanders is again attacking the Democrats after that article came out. He twits: "The cat is out of the bag. The corporate wing of the Democratic Party is publicly "anybody but Bernie." They know our progressive agenda of Medicare for All, breaking up big banks, taking on drug companies and raising wages is the real threat to the billionaire class."
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Does This Avatar Make My Butt Look Big? Minor Deity |
Because, for reasons I do not pretend to understand, crowds go crazy for her. And to the extent I have heard her explain a position, she is really good at putting things into words people can understand and get behind. She is very concrete. I think that could be why it lands. So I am watching . . . | |||
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Has Achieved Nirvana |
Ego, ego, ego. He’s going to make the eventual Democratic nominee unelectable ... maybe even if it’s him. You’d think he’d understand that four more years of Trump would hurt the very people he claims to care about ... but his self-interest is more important to him. | |||
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Does This Avatar Make My Butt Look Big? Minor Deity |
Meh. Bernie has no chance. | |||
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Beatification Candidate |
I liked Bernie when I read ABOUT him. Once I heard him speak, I couldn't stand to listen anymore... More importantly, I'd like to see someone who will not just want us to forget about the past. I understand why Obama didn't want to investigate Bush/Cheney and company, but I hope the next president runs on holding people accountable for their actions. Consequences for behavior. Investigate all if there has been any hint of shady dealings.
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Has Achieved Nirvana |
Does someone want to start a Bernie thread? I just want to talk about Elizabeth Warren. I'm happy to give my opinion about Bernie, for the record. I ignored him in 2016. Ego, ego, ego, as Quirt said above. I don't know what else to say. | |||
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