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posted 13 January 2020 12:32 PM
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U.S. Sen. Susan Collins of Maine told reporters on Friday that she is working with a “fairly small group” of fellow Republican senators toward a goal of ensuring witnesses can be called in the chamber’s impeachment trial of President Donald Trump.


https://bangordailynews.com/20...r#Echobox=1578678157


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posted 13 January 2020 02:18 PMHide Post
Nice goal. Won't happen, but she'll be covered at home.


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posted 13 January 2020 02:44 PMHide Post
It's crazy to me that this is where we've arrived. Of course there should be witnesses in the Senate trial, and those witnesses should reflect the desires of both parties or, more accurately, have relevant information necessary to make an informed decision. The total stonewalling over basic constitutional procedures on partisan grounds is ridiculous.

I can already hear the arguments: It's politicized already, "we" didn't start it, etc. Who cares? What's wrong is wrong, no matter who does it, and stonewalling an impeachment trial is wrong.

As an aside, McConnell and his followers wouldn't even be qualified to sit on a civil jury following the statements they've already made. Imagine a potential jury member saying, "I've already made up my mind, I'm planning on blocking anyone who disagrees with me, I don't need to hear from any witnesses, and I've already been working with the defendant on how to get him acquitted." Insane.
 
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posted 13 January 2020 03:08 PMHide Post
That's pretty much how you got the articles to begin with. Pot, meet kettle.


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posted 13 January 2020 03:34 PMHide Post
Could you elaborate on that, Mik?

Honest request. I want to understand how you view this.


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posted 14 January 2020 03:01 PMHide Post
Sure. The house stonewalled anyone from the GOP from saying anything in rebuttal at all. Now it's the Senate's turn.

And to try to stand on 'wrong is wrong' after three solid years of attempting to overturn an election by any means possible is ridiculous. I don't love Trump but I also don't think anything he has done is any worse than what the Democrats have been doing from the campaign through present.


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posted 14 January 2020 04:52 PMHide Post
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Originally posted by Mikhailoh:
Sure. The house stonewalled anyone from the GOP from saying anything in rebuttal at all. Now it's the Senate's turn.

And to try to stand on 'wrong is wrong' after three solid years of attempting to overturn an election by any means possible is ridiculous. I don't love Trump but I also don't think anything he has done is any worse than what the Democrats have been doing from the campaign through present.


I disagree. He has done a lot WRONG since he has been in office.


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posted 14 January 2020 05:52 PMHide Post
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Originally posted by Mikhailoh:
Sure. The house stonewalled anyone from the GOP from saying anything in rebuttal at all. Now it's the Senate's turn.

And to try to stand on 'wrong is wrong' after three solid years of attempting to overturn an election by any means possible is ridiculous. I don't love Trump but I also don't think anything he has done is any worse than what the Democrats have been doing from the campaign through present.


I hear you, but there was stonewalling on all sides. The WH refused to allow people to testify, and the House/Dems basically said, "fine, then you can't get your people either." Political machinations to be sure, but not one sided.

I'm curious about your statement that nothing he has done is worse than what the Dems have done... Do you mean that literally, or only from a political maneuvering point of view?
 
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posted 14 January 2020 08:05 PMHide Post
Literally.


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posted 14 January 2020 09:51 PMHide Post
Well then, we will have to agree to disagree.
 
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posted 15 January 2020 03:47 AMHide Post
Well, that was civil.

Big Grin


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posted 15 January 2020 11:49 AMHide Post
If you had the ability to read thought bubbles, you might have a different opinion. Big Grin
 
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posted 15 January 2020 12:42 PMHide Post
H8R. ROTFLMAO


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