Impeachment - next steps

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13 January 2020, 12:32 PM

wtg

Impeachment - next steps

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U.S. Sen. Susan Collins of Maine told reporters on Friday that she is working with a “fairly small group” of fellow Republican senators toward a goal of ensuring witnesses can be called in the chamber’s impeachment trial of President Donald Trump.

https://bangordailynews.com/20...r#Echobox=1578678157

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When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

13 January 2020, 02:18 PM

Mikhailoh

Nice goal. Won't happen, but she'll be covered at home.

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"A mob is a place where people go to get away from their conscience" Atticus Finch

13 January 2020, 02:44 PM

Nina

It's crazy to me that this is where we've arrived. Of course there should be witnesses in the Senate trial, and those witnesses should reflect the desires of both parties or, more accurately, have relevant information necessary to make an informed decision. The total stonewalling over basic constitutional procedures on partisan grounds is ridiculous.

I can already hear the arguments: It's politicized already, "we" didn't start it, etc. Who cares? What's wrong is wrong, no matter who does it, and stonewalling an impeachment trial is wrong.

As an aside, McConnell and his followers wouldn't even be qualified to sit on a civil jury following the statements they've already made. Imagine a potential jury member saying, "I've already made up my mind, I'm planning on blocking anyone who disagrees with me, I don't need to hear from any witnesses, and I've already been working with the defendant on how to get him acquitted." Insane.

13 January 2020, 03:08 PM

Mikhailoh

That's pretty much how you got the articles to begin with. Pot, meet kettle.

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13 January 2020, 03:34 PM

wtg

Could you elaborate on that, Mik?

Honest request. I want to understand how you view this.

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When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier

14 January 2020, 03:01 PM

Mikhailoh

Sure. The house stonewalled anyone from the GOP from saying anything in rebuttal at all. Now it's the Senate's turn.

And to try to stand on 'wrong is wrong' after three solid years of attempting to overturn an election by any means possible is ridiculous. I don't love Trump but I also don't think anything he has done is any worse than what the Democrats have been doing from the campaign through present.

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"A mob is a place where people go to get away from their conscience" Atticus Finch

14 January 2020, 04:52 PM

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Originally posted by Mikhailoh:
Sure. The house stonewalled anyone from the GOP from saying anything in rebuttal at all. Now it's the Senate's turn.

And to try to stand on 'wrong is wrong' after three solid years of attempting to overturn an election by any means possible is ridiculous. I don't love Trump but I also don't think anything he has done is any worse than what the Democrats have been doing from the campaign through present.

I disagree. He has done a lot WRONG since he has been in office.

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14 January 2020, 05:52 PM

Nina

quote:
Originally posted by Mikhailoh:
Sure. The house stonewalled anyone from the GOP from saying anything in rebuttal at all. Now it's the Senate's turn.

And to try to stand on 'wrong is wrong' after three solid years of attempting to overturn an election by any means possible is ridiculous. I don't love Trump but I also don't think anything he has done is any worse than what the Democrats have been doing from the campaign through present.

I hear you, but there was stonewalling on all sides. The WH refused to allow people to testify, and the House/Dems basically said, "fine, then you can't get your people either." Political machinations to be sure, but not one sided.

I'm curious about your statement that nothing he has done is worse than what the Dems have done... Do you mean that literally, or only from a political maneuvering point of view?

14 January 2020, 08:05 PM

Mikhailoh

Literally.

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"A mob is a place where people go to get away from their conscience" Atticus Finch

14 January 2020, 09:51 PM

Nina

Well then, we will have to agree to disagree.

15 January 2020, 03:47 AM

Mikhailoh

Well, that was civil.

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"A mob is a place where people go to get away from their conscience" Atticus Finch

15 January 2020, 11:49 AM

Nina

If you had the ability to read thought bubbles, you might have a different opinion.

15 January 2020, 12:42 PM

Mikhailoh

H8R.

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"A mob is a place where people go to get away from their conscience" Atticus Finch