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You ignore child molestation at your peril.

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Originally posted by Cindysphinx:
Well, well, well.

The remaining board members resigned once the US Olympic Committee *threatened to decertify.*

"The announcement came one day after the head of the Olympic committee threatened in an email to decertify U.S.A. Gymnastics — the sport’s national governing body — if its entire board of more than 20 people did not resign by next Wednesday. Several board members, including the chairman, Paul Parilla, had already resigned by the time the email was sent."

I'm still quite surprised that anyone would think decertification would not be an appropriate means to clean house if the leaders would not step down voluntarily. It seemed quite obvious to me.

When an organization does the wrong thing to this extent, you don't keep the current leaders. Period.

Now, I hope some of the gymnasts file lawsuits against the organization and its leaders.

Just to make sure the message has been received: You ignore child molestation at your peril.

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When an organization does the wrong thing to this extent, you don't keep the current leaders. Period.

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I'm still quite surprised that anyone would think decertification would not be an appropriate means to clean house if the leaders would not step down voluntarily. It seemed quite obvious to me.

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How is USA Gymnastics still in business?

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How is USA Gymnastics still in business?

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Originally posted by BeeLady:
Bottom line..

If a child says something is wrong, it is..

If you think something is wrong, it is.

Trust your gut...

If wrong, oops...but I would rather be wrong than right.

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Originally posted by QuirtEvans:

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Originally posted by Cindysphinx:
Well, well, well.

The remaining board members resigned once the US Olympic Committee *threatened to decertify.*

"The announcement came one day after the head of the Olympic committee threatened in an email to decertify U.S.A. Gymnastics — the sport’s national governing body — if its entire board of more than 20 people did not resign by next Wednesday. Several board members, including the chairman, Paul Parilla, had already resigned by the time the email was sent."

I'm still quite surprised that anyone would think decertification would not be an appropriate means to clean house if the leaders would not step down voluntarily. It seemed quite obvious to me.

When an organization does the wrong thing to this extent, you don't keep the current leaders. Period.

Now, I hope some of the gymnasts file lawsuits against the organization and its leaders.

Just to make sure the message has been received: You ignore child molestation at your peril.

It's amazing to me that you don't see the logical disconnect in your statements. And that you ignore the things that people are actually saying. For example:

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When an organization does the wrong thing to this extent, you don't keep the current leaders. Period.

Literally no one has disagreed with that. No one. And yet you keep repeating it as if it's some basic truth that was being ignored. No, it wasn't. It's just an attempt at self-justification.

Yes, there was a need to clean house. Yes, the current people in charge needed to go. But, it's important to note, by the time you starting banging your drum, the leaders had already gone. A fact that you got completely wrong your first time through (you said the CEO would never leave on his own) and that you've never acknowledged. So major steps had been taken toward cleaning house, long before you ever conceived of this thread.

And then there's this:

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I'm still quite surprised that anyone would think decertification would not be an appropriate means to clean house if the leaders would not step down voluntarily. It seemed quite obvious to me.

To be clear, that is absolutely NOT what you said, and what started this discussion. It's painfully obvious, from the title of the thread.

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How is USA Gymnastics still in business?

You just wanted to blow the whole thing up. Which was a stupid idea and was overkill.

Saying there's a need to clean house and to develop new and better procedures and blowing up the organization are two separate things entirely. Maybe, if the people who need to leave won't leave and can't be forced out, you think about what to do next. But the best move is to get rid of the wrongdoers and fix things, not to start all over.

I'm astounded that you act as if you cannot see the major shift in your position between these two statements:

1. BLOW IT UP!

2. If it can't be fixed, blow it up.

If you'd said #2 from the start, instead of #1, I'm not sure anyone would have disagreed with you. But you didn't. You started from the most extreme position possible. The nuclear option. And then you worked backwards to a more rational position, which is the one USOC took, and are acting as if it was the same position all along.

Thank goodness people with common sense saw the difference between those two positions.

So, your original question was:

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How is USA Gymnastics still in business?

The answer is, as I said, it's still in business, and it's going to stay in business, and the powers that be aren't taking the foolish approach that you originally advocated.

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Originally posted by Cindysphinx:

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Originally posted by QuirtEvans:

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Originally posted by Cindysphinx:
Well, well, well.

The remaining board members resigned once the US Olympic Committee *threatened to decertify.*

"The announcement came one day after the head of the Olympic committee threatened in an email to decertify U.S.A. Gymnastics — the sport’s national governing body — if its entire board of more than 20 people did not resign by next Wednesday. Several board members, including the chairman, Paul Parilla, had already resigned by the time the email was sent."

I'm still quite surprised that anyone would think decertification would not be an appropriate means to clean house if the leaders would not step down voluntarily. It seemed quite obvious to me.

When an organization does the wrong thing to this extent, you don't keep the current leaders. Period.

Now, I hope some of the gymnasts file lawsuits against the organization and its leaders.

Just to make sure the message has been received: You ignore child molestation at your peril.

It's amazing to me that you don't see the logical disconnect in your statements. And that you ignore the things that people are actually saying. For example:

quote:

When an organization does the wrong thing to this extent, you don't keep the current leaders. Period.

Literally no one has disagreed with that. No one. And yet you keep repeating it as if it's some basic truth that was being ignored. No, it wasn't. It's just an attempt at self-justification.

Yes, there was a need to clean house. Yes, the current people in charge needed to go. But, it's important to note, by the time you starting banging your drum, the leaders had already gone. A fact that you got completely wrong your first time through (you said the CEO would never leave on his own) and that you've never acknowledged. So major steps had been taken toward cleaning house, long before you ever conceived of this thread.

And then there's this:

quote:

I'm still quite surprised that anyone would think decertification would not be an appropriate means to clean house if the leaders would not step down voluntarily. It seemed quite obvious to me.

To be clear, that is absolutely NOT what you said, and what started this discussion. It's painfully obvious, from the title of the thread.

quote:

How is USA Gymnastics still in business?

You just wanted to blow the whole thing up. Which was a stupid idea and was overkill.

Saying there's a need to clean house and to develop new and better procedures and blowing up the organization are two separate things entirely. Maybe, if the people who need to leave won't leave and can't be forced out, you think about what to do next. But the best move is to get rid of the wrongdoers and fix things, not to start all over.

I'm astounded that you act as if you cannot see the major shift in your position between these two statements:

1. BLOW IT UP!

2. If it can't be fixed, blow it up.

If you'd said #2 from the start, instead of #1, I'm not sure anyone would have disagreed with you. But you didn't. You started from the most extreme position possible. The nuclear option. And then you worked backwards to a more rational position, which is the one USOC took, and are acting as if it was the same position all along.

Thank goodness people with common sense saw the difference between those two positions.

So, your original question was:

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How is USA Gymnastics still in business?

The answer is, as I said, it's still in business, and it's going to stay in business, and the powers that be aren't taking the foolish approach that you originally advocated.

Well, well, well.

Look at all of those words, just to avoid saying, "I got that one wrong."

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How is USA Gymnastics still in business?

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Given the USOC’s issues, the decertification threat draws a bit of skepticism – maybe a bluff, maybe a PR move. Michelle Simpson Tuegel, an attorney representing several gymnasts, reacted in November with a widely distributed shot at the USOC: “Today’s announcement by [the] USOC seeks only to deflect from their total failure over decades to protect the gymnasts in their care.”

Finaldi and partner John Manly don’t necessarily disagree, but they welcome the decertification effort nonetheless. Manly called for decertification in March 2017. In a statement to the Guardian, Finaldi reiterated that opinion while refusing to let the USOC off the hook: “We continue to support the decertification of USA Gymnastics in addition to demanding accountability from USOC for its continued failure to provide oversight over USA Gymnastics and other Olympic governing bodies in swimming, figure skating, wrestling and other sports that have had hundreds of complaints of child sexual abuse.”

But decertifying an organization the size of USA Gymnastics is a nearly unfathomable task. The membership rolls are small – 169,352 athletes, 209,710 total members – but still rising, and they reflect just a sliver of USAG’s reach. The federation’s member gyms – more than 3,500 – offer a wide range of programs for everyone from national team contenders to toddlers learning basic movement. Add it all up, and millions of kids and young adults learn gymnastics from USAG-affiliated coaches and clubs.

David Holcomb, owner of Ohio’s Buckeye Gymnastics and the new chair of USAG’s Nominating and Governance Committee, is skeptical that any organization could step in and provide sanctioning for meets – and more importantly, the insurance that comes with such sanctioning. “You’ll notice no one is stepping forward to be the new organization,” Holcomb says.

Paul Spadaro, president of the US Association of Independent Gymnastics Clubs, responded bluntly to a Sports Business Daily query as to whether his organization could replace USAG. “It would kill our program,” Spadaro said.

The Sports Business Daily story questions whether USAG’s member clubs would fall under the jurisdiction of the U.S. Center for SafeSport if the federation is removed from its duties. Without SafeSport resources, would the sport’s ability to protect athletes actually get worse?

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The USOC will sit and wait on the decertification front as well.

“We believe that [the bankruptcy move] is a really important step for USA Gymnastics and don’t think that disrupting that in any way by pursuing a Section 8 [decertification] hearing, at this point, is helpful to that process,” USOC CEO Sarah Hirshland said in March. “So we reserve the right to go back to the hearing panel and request the process move forward, but we have not yet done that at this point.”

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Originally posted by Cindysphinx:
Well, there are a lot of questions that need answering, including how it is that USA Gymnastics has not been sued into bankruptcy.