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You don't get too screw up like this and violate mandatory reporting laws and keep your job.

Straw man alert!

Again, who ever said that anyone in particular should keep their job?

No one.

For the second time, if you are switching the terms of the discussion to suggest that people should lose their jobs ... that's a completely different point than the heading of this thread, and there's no obvious disagreement about that. Certainly, I don't disagree.

So, if this is intended to be a strategic retreat from an indefensible position, sure, let's figure out who did what and get rid of everyone culpable.

However, you seem to have your facts very, very wrong.

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Here, the head of the organization has overstayed his term and has run it for 19 years.

Allow me to quote from the Vox article again:

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Steve Penny, the CEO of USA Gymnastics for more than 10 years, resigned in March 2017 as the scandal unfolded. (He was also named in several lawsuits.)

And the Indianapolis Star announced in November that Kerry Perry had been selected as CEO of USA Gymnastics and would take over on December 1, 2017.

https://www.indystar.com/story...-20-years/839364001/

Were you talking about a different entrenched head of the organization, when you said that "[t]hese people are not leaving"?

If the CEO resigned, and if a new CEO has been installed in the job, who are these people who "are not leaving"? Do they report to the CEO? Does the CEO have hire/fire power over them?

And, if your entire position was based on the notion that the head of the organization "has overstayed his term" (note the present tense), when he resigned ten months ago and has since been replaced, maybe the foundation for your position is lacking?

I think you'd better think it out again.

Resignations Start at USA Gymnastics

Hasn't hit the top yet, but perhaps it will.

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Originally posted by Piano*Dad:
Resignations Start at USA Gymnastics

Hasn't hit the top yet, but perhaps it will.

I'm confused. The old President resigned last March. The Chairman and Vice Chairman just resigned, according to your article. The new President has been on the job less than two months.

If the President, the Chairman, and the Vice Chairman aren't the top, what's the top?

I'm not following the story very carefully. I didn't know the president had already resigned.

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Originally posted by Piano*Dad:
I'm not following the story very carefully. I didn't know the president had already resigned.

I may have confused matters by referring alternately to the President and to the CEO. I believe it's one person.

Let's get this straightened out, shall we?

I am not the only one who believes USA gymnastics needs to own up and clean house. This can happen through decertification. Or lawsuits. Or, apparently, through a loss of sponsors.

Here are some facts that might help convince a few people here:

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/0...on-c-col-left-region

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Also, any gymnast who was molested after the first gymnasts came forward should be able to sue the former President/CEO and get their hands on that $2 million severance.

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Originally posted by Cindysphinx:
Let's get this straightened out, shall we?

I am not the only one who believes USA gymnastics needs to own up and clean house. This can happen through decertification. Or lawsuits. Or, apparently, through a loss of sponsors.

Here are some facts that might help convince a few people here:

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/0...on-c-col-left-region

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Also, any gymnast who was molested after the first gymnasts came forward should be able to sue the former President/CEO and get their hands on that $2 million severance.

Nobody said you were the only one. It's time for a brand new strawman alert!

I just said you were all very wrong.

As far as sponsors go, sponsors have a right to act in their self-interest, which doesn't have to make sense for the sport of gymnastics. A sponsor might decide that being associated with USA Gymnastics is a bad business decision, regardless of how it affects USA Gymnastics. I'm not sure what's so hard to understand about that. I was pointing out that killing off USA Gymnastics doesn't help the sport of gymnastics, or even the victims, so what sponsors decide to do is completely beside the point.

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Originally posted by Cindysphinx:
Heads should roll.

They haven't.

That means the organization itself is toxic and needs to be decertified.

Except that heads have rolled. The CEO. The Chairman. The Vice Chairman. The Treasurer.

I guess that your factual premise has proven to be inaccurate, you now need to argue something else. Or else change your mind.

I guess someone always has to be the Last Person To Get With The Program.

I'm shocked that you're behaving like an apologist for the leadership for this organization.

Every single one of these people involved in the leadership of this organization needs to go, and they should be replaced by people committed to fixing it.

Dude, read the friggin' article.

Eighteen others are clinging to their posts.

They *all* need to go.

Here, I will draw you a picture and provide you with their names:

https://usagym.org/pages/about...rd_of_directors.html

A lot of parents are willing to look the other way for a chance at Olympic stardom for their kids.

Are they wrong?

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Originally posted by Cindysphinx:
Dude, read the friggin' article.

What makes you think I didn't? In case you think I'm using weaselly language, let me be clear. YES I DID.

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Eighteen others are clinging to their posts.

They *all* need to go.

Here, I will draw you a picture and provide you with their names:

https://usagym.org/pages/about...rd_of_directors.html

Yay, another strawman alert, and a failure to read, all in one point! No one has argued that those who bear responsibility should stay in their jobs. I said that before, quite clearly.

In fact, when you said that the CEO was clinging to his job, I pointed out that he had resigned. TEN MONTHS AGO. You were just flat-out, 100%, inarguably wrong about that, and it was fundamental to your position. And the Chairman has resigned. And the Vice Chairman. And the Treasurer. If 18 more board members need to resign, so be it.

But that's not what we were talking about, was it? I recognize that you think it's safer ground for you, but we were talking about the nuclear option, not whether people should lose their positions. Try to stick to the topic. Try not to act as if a point on which we have agreed is a point of disagreement.

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I guess someone always has to be the Last Person To Get With The Program.

I'm shocked that you're behaving like an apologist for the leadership for this organization.

I guess someone always has to be The First Person To React Hysterically.

I'm shocked at how badly you are over-reacting.

Perhaps most importantly, your relied-upon New York Times piece recommends five important things that must be done. They include some of what I have suggested, and do not include the nuclear option, which you have recommended.

In short, the very article that you think supports your position doesn't recommend what you recommend.

Dudette, did you even read the friggin' article?

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Originally posted by Steve Miller:
A lot of parents are willing to look the other way for a chance at Olympic stardom for their kids.

Are they wrong?

It depends on what you mean.

If you mean that a parent was told by their kid (or saw something disturbing) about molestation and decided to cover it up for material gain, that parent is not only wrong but is a monster. That parent is basically pimping their own child to a pedophile.

If you mean a parent made a horrible mistake in not believing their child and genuinely understands that they blew it and is remorseful, then it was a mistake.

Switching the lens here, how does Michigan State University get away with this? Michigan has mandatory reporting laws, and even a full-on brochure and instructions. MSU officials are most certainly mandatory reporters.

My prediction: the prez is out. No way can she survive this, nor should she.

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Originally posted by Nina:
Switching the lens here, how does Michigan State University get away with this? Michigan has mandatory reporting laws, and even a full-on brochure and instructions. MSU officials are most certainly mandatory reporters.

My prediction: the prez is out. No way can she survive this, nor should she.

I haven't read as much about MSU's situation, but what I've read sounds terrible. She handed the issue off, assuming someone would take care of it, and then never followed up (if I'm remembering correctly). I have to agree with your prognosis. Maybe in her next job she'll develop a tickler system.