01 October 2021, 07:57 AM
QuirtEvansAn Even-Handed Look at the Possible Origins of COVID
https://www.theatlantic.com/sc...even-messier/620209/01 October 2021, 08:26 AM
jodiThat was an interesting read, thanks for posting it.
01 October 2021, 05:10 PM
big alWell, if someone screwed up royally, I would expect them to duck for whatever cover they could find. If there is a human component in the propagation of the virus, I'd be very, very much surprised if anyone would own up to contributing to that, given the subsequent world-wide pandemic.
If there is in fact an accidental human component in the propagation, then we should be doing everything possible to prevent such an accident from recurring, but the desire to place blame works in direct opposition to identifying such a component.
Big Al
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01 October 2021, 07:28 PM
Steve MillerWhat Big Al said. ^^^^
01 October 2021, 08:54 PM
DanielI've made my position on this clear.
02 October 2021, 08:56 AM
Jack FrostLatest word from China is that COVID came into Wuhan in a shipment of lobsters from Maine.
https://www.seafoodsource.com/...aine-lobster-companyJ
02 October 2021, 09:07 AM
rontunerquote:
Originally posted by Jack Frost:
Latest word from China is that COVID came into Wuhan in a shipment of lobsters from Maine.
https://www.seafoodsource.com/...aine-lobster-companyJ
With just about the same level of evidence as the "created in a lab" story....

02 October 2021, 09:35 AM
QuirtEvansEveryone can have an opinion. But, what that story suggests is that there is evidence to support a range of possibilities. The real answer, which is frequently the answer, is that we don't know.
We can guess, but guesses often reveal our biases.
02 October 2021, 10:22 AM
Danielquote:
Originally posted by Jack Frost:
Latest word from China is that COVID came into Wuhan in a shipment of lobsters from Maine.
https://www.seafoodsource.com/...aine-lobster-company
Omg.
02 October 2021, 01:53 PM
Jack FrostI think we can say confidently it did not start with frozen Maine lobster!
08 November 2021, 12:06 PM
wtgYglesias goes down the rabbit hole to chase the COVID lab leak story....story is from May, but there's lots of good info here:
https://www.slowboring.com/p/t...dias-lab-leak-fiasco08 November 2021, 12:59 PM
Mikhailohquote:
Originally posted by Jack Frost:
Latest word from China is that COVID came into Wuhan in a shipment of lobsters from Maine.
https://www.seafoodsource.com/...aine-lobster-companyJ
An unlikely tail. They are just clawing at excuses.
08 November 2021, 01:22 PM
Piano*DadDon't get all steamed up!

08 November 2021, 09:57 PM
pianojugglerAnother shell game.
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19 November 2021, 04:39 PM
rontuner https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abm4454"Thus, 10 of these hospitals’ 19 earliest COVID-19 cases were linked to Huanan Market (~53%), comparable both to Jinyintan’s 66% (of 41 cases) (4) and to the WHO-China report’s 33% of 168 retrospectively identified cases across December 2019 (1). Regarding cases at the Wuhan Central Hospital and HPHICWM, patients with a history of exposure at Huanan Market could not have been “cherry picked” before anyone had identified the market as an epidemiologic risk factor. Hence, there was a genuine preponderance of early COVID-19 cases associated with Huanan Market."