Wow.


https://www.news.com.au/lifest...eaa11b66e1b1b8e215a1

I was going to respond, but then realized, I don't really have anything to add to your reaction.

17. Legally. This is the best they could do.

I'd have phrased your title as "chooses euthanasia". A dog or cat can be euthanized without their consent.

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Originally posted by Mikhailoh:
17. Legally. This is the best they could do.

I'm guessing you meant a question mark. Maybe.

Maybe we need a shaking head smilie.

Does this make us want this device to be real?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuralyzer

Very hard to believe there's no effective treatment for such a traumatized victim of youthful sex abuse. I am close friends of women who have suffered horrific long-term rapes and torture including emotional abuse especially aimed at deliberately convincing them of their unworthiness and responsibility for the abuse. Both were incest victims (can't bring myself to call them "survivors").

They have suffered intolerable physical and emotional pain (one is forced to rely on a wheelchair as a result of the spinal damage the rapes caused). The first reports having been greatly helped by a therapist highly specialized in PTSD for such sufferers (still she is sometimes subject to suicidal impulses), while the second is happily married to a deeply loving man who has greatly helped with her survival. Of the two, I'd say the anger the second is able to feel and express is most helpful while having given birth to two (now grown) daughters to whom she feels responsible, keeps the first alive. (I haven't dared ask her if one or both were fathered by a rapist.)

I'm very interested in studies of factors which appear to make major differences in which youthful sex victims survive emotionally, some of whom even seem to rebound. Some factors are genetic, others experiential.

I just can't believe Holland has seen fit to permit children as young as 12 to choose euthanasia, at least not for emotional/mental pain. (Maybe for excruciating physical agony.)

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Originally posted by QuirtEvans:
I'd have phrased your title as "chooses euthanasia". A dog or cat can be euthanized without their consent.

Except, every day, hundreds of 17 year olds decide their lives aren’t worth living. The newsworthy part is when the family, medical profession, and society agree.


Mik put it best - is this the best they can do?

It was the best they could do, which is sad.

I will read her book if it is translated to English.

I used to work a crisis service where we dealt with suicide, rape, abuse issues. In a couple of cases, I remember thinking were it me, I'm not sure I could endure what they were describing - but they did. Things can get better. At 17, the world can look pretty grim - but there's often not a lot of experience to make those kinds of decisions.

Chooses euthanasia? Chooses suicide? Chooses physician-assisted suicide?

Is it all in how you describe it?

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Originally posted by jon-nyc:

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Originally posted by QuirtEvans:
I'd have phrased your title as "chooses euthanasia". A dog or cat can be euthanized without their consent.

Except, every day, hundreds of 17 year olds decide their lives aren’t worth living. The newsworthy part is when the family, medical profession, and society agree.


Mik put it best - is this the best they can do?

Allowing her to make the choice seems different from making the choice for her.

Seems pretty obvious and almost definitional.

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Originally posted by AdagioM:
Chooses euthanasia? Chooses suicide? Chooses physician-assisted suicide?

Is it all in how you describe it?

Any of those is more accurate.