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10 March 2020, 05:05 PM
wtg
Italy
Very interesting interview. Thanks for posting it!


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10 March 2020, 05:29 PM
wtg
168 dead in the last 24 hours in Italy.

Frowner


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10 March 2020, 06:00 PM
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11 March 2020, 12:53 AM
Daniel
All 60 million people in Italy under travel restriction.

https://youtu.be/bOkkp8UPIYg
11 March 2020, 09:52 AM
wtg
quote:
Italy’s Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte announced Wednesday that the government will set even more money aside to tackle the outbreak, raising it to 25 billion euros ($28.3 billion) — up from 7.5 billion euros announced last week.


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/1...us-live-updates.html


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11 March 2020, 10:23 AM
Steve Miller
quote:
Originally posted by wtg:
quote:
Italy’s Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte announced Wednesday that the government will set even more money aside to tackle the outbreak, raising it to 25 billion euros ($28.3 billion) — up from 7.5 billion euros announced last week.


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/1...us-live-updates.html


Wow!


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11 March 2020, 11:30 AM
CHAS
Hospitals are Overwhelmed


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11 March 2020, 11:37 AM
Steve Miller
Frowner


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11 March 2020, 01:50 PM
wtg
196 additional deaths in Italy since yesterday.

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The death toll from the coronavirus in Italy has risen from 631 to 827 in a day, Reuters reports. At the same time, the total number of confirmed Covid-19 cases in the country rose by more than 2,000, from 10,149 on Tuesday to 12,462 today, it says.


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11 March 2020, 04:53 PM
wtg
Italy closing all stores except groceries and pharmacies.


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11 March 2020, 05:42 PM
QuirtEvans
quote:
Originally posted by wtg:
Italy closing all stores except groceries and pharmacies.


Things are going to get really bad there, really fast.
11 March 2020, 06:03 PM
wtg
They are already pretty bad.

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Two weeks ago, Italy had 322 confirmed cases of the coronavirus. At that point, doctors in the country’s hospitals could lavish significant attention on each stricken patient.

One week ago, Italy had 2,502 cases of the virus, which causes the disease known as COVID-19. At that point, doctors in the country’s hospitals could still perform the most lifesaving functions by artificially ventilating patients who experienced acute breathing difficulties.

Elise A. Mitchell: The shortages may be worse than the disease

Today, Italy has 10,149 cases of the coronavirus. There are now simply too many patients for each one of them to receive adequate care. Doctors and nurses are unable to tend to everybody. They lack machines to ventilate all those gasping for air.

Now the Italian College of Anesthesia, Analgesia, Resuscitation and Intensive Care (SIAARTI) has published guidelines for the criteria that doctors and nurses should follow in these extraordinary circumstances. The document begins by likening the moral choices facing Italian doctors to the forms of wartime triage that are required in the field of “catastrophe medicine.” Instead of providing intensive care to all patients who need it, its authors suggest, it is becoming necessary to follow “the most widely shared criteria regarding distributive justice and the appropriate allocation of limited health resources.”

The principle they settle upon is utilitarian. “Informed by the principle of maximizing benefits for the largest number,” they suggest that “the allocation criteria need to guarantee that those patients with the highest chance of therapeutic success will retain access to intensive care.”

The authors, who are medical doctors, then deduce a set of concrete recommendations for how to manage these impossible choices, including this: “It may become necessary to establish an age limit for access to intensive care.”

Those who are too old to have a high likelihood of recovery, or who have too low a number of “life-years” left even if they should survive, will be left to die. This sounds cruel, but the alternative, the document argues, is no better. “In case of a total saturation of resources, maintaining the criterion of ‘first come, first served’ would amount to a decision to exclude late-arriving patients from access to intensive care.”


https://www.theatlantic.com/id...hospital-bed/607807/


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11 March 2020, 06:51 PM
pianojuggler
Auntie Beeb has a few pictures to share:

https://www.bbc.com/news/in-pictures-51815536


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11 March 2020, 06:56 PM
pianojuggler
Is there any analysis and explanation of why Italy is being hit so hard? Why it's spreading so fast?


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11 March 2020, 06:57 PM
ShiroKuro
Re WTG's link, I don't know if I should even read that. I hate to think that this is what is waiting for us. And I'm trying not to think about my mother and where she would rank in that kind of assess. Frowner

I am just praying she doesn't get sick. That none of us do.


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