Will there be a way to escape hidden cameras in the future?

08 January 2024, 12:27 PM

wtg

The privacy ship sailed a long time ago.

You can walk but you can't hide. I walk most days and have wondered how well someone could reconstruct my route based on the Ring doorbell cams along my route. I'm guessing they pretty much capture every step I take.

Two of my neighbors have cameras that capture accidents that happen at a nearby two-way intersection . People run that stop sign all the time.

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08 January 2024, 03:45 PM

RealPlayer

There shouldn’t be cameras where there is an expectation of privacy. Streets, stores, public buildings, OK.

08 January 2024, 06:15 PM

Daniel

We were told about wearing clean underwear in case we were in an accident.

I guess this was a thing for a couple generations.

08 January 2024, 06:26 PM

RealPlayer

quote:
Originally posted by Daniel:
We were told about wearing clean underwear in case we were in an accident.

I guess this was a thing for a couple generations.

My guess is, they've seen worse than dirty underwear in the emergency rooms.

08 January 2024, 07:36 PM

Steve Miller

quote:
Originally posted by RealPlayer:

My guess is, they've seen worse than dirty underwear in the emergency rooms.

Yeah? Try telling my Mom that!

08 January 2024, 08:04 PM

QuirtEvans

quote:
Originally posted by RealPlayer:
There shouldn’t be cameras where there is an expectation of privacy. Streets, stores, public buildings, OK.

The standard is a reasonable expectation of privacy (so the standard is the objective reasonable person, not the subjective standard of how each person feels), and there is no reasonable expectation of privacy in public places. That’s why it’s ok to have cameras that record streets, in stores, etc.

Changing that would basically require a change in the law, which is not likely to happen, as both governments and businesses have an interest in use of monitoring cameras. As do regular people, by the way. Think of all the dashboard cameras and Ring doorbells … think of all the people who use their phones to record misbehavior by citizens and police. Do you really want to tell all those people that they cannot record on their devices? Imagine how popular that would be. Many racist Karen’s would have gotten off scot free if there hadn’t been video of their behavior.

And these cameras may or may not be hidden … so whether they are hidden or not is probably the wrong standard.

09 January 2024, 08:00 AM

Daniel

quote:
Originally posted by RealPlayer:
quote:
Originally posted by Daniel:
We were told about wearing clean underwear in case we were in an accident.

I guess this was a thing for a couple generations.

My guess is, they've seen worse than dirty underwear in the emergency rooms.

09 January 2024, 08:11 AM

Daniel

quote:
Originally posted by QuirtEvans:
quote:
Originally posted by RealPlayer:
There shouldn’t be cameras where there is an expectation of privacy. Streets, stores, public buildings, OK.

The standard is a reasonable expectation of privacy (so the standard is the objective reasonable person, not the subjective standard of how each person feels), and there is no reasonable expectation of privacy in public places. That’s why it’s ok to have cameras that record streets, in stores, etc.

Changing that would basically require a change in the law, which is not likely to happen, as both governments and businesses have an interest in use of monitoring cameras. As do regular people, by the way. Think of all the dashboard cameras and Ring doorbells … think of all the people who use their phones to record misbehavior by citizens and police. Do you really want to tell all those people that they cannot record on their devices? Imagine how popular that would be. Many racist Karen’s would have gotten off scot free if there hadn’t been video of their behavior.

And these cameras may or may not be hidden … so whether they are hidden or not is probably the wrong standard.

Ok, but what about our phones' and computers' cameras' abilities to film us anywhere we use our 'devices' including in our homes?