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Mom always told us to wear clean underwear in case we were in an accident or something.

Now I suppose Moms tell their kids to keep their hair combed for when they’re caught on camera. Blink


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The privacy ship sailed a long time ago.

You can walk but you can't hide. I walk most days and have wondered how well someone could reconstruct my route based on the Ring doorbell cams along my route. I'm guessing they pretty much capture every step I take.

Two of my neighbors have cameras that capture accidents that happen at a nearby two-way intersection . People run that stop sign all the time.


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There shouldn’t be cameras where there is an expectation of privacy. Streets, stores, public buildings, OK.


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We were told about wearing clean underwear in case we were in an accident.

I guess this was a thing for a couple generations.
 
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We were told about wearing clean underwear in case we were in an accident.

I guess this was a thing for a couple generations.

My guess is, they've seen worse than dirty underwear in the emergency rooms. Big Grin


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My guess is, they've seen worse than dirty underwear in the emergency rooms. Big Grin


Yeah? Try telling my Mom that!


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There shouldn’t be cameras where there is an expectation of privacy. Streets, stores, public buildings, OK.


The standard is a reasonable expectation of privacy (so the standard is the objective reasonable person, not the subjective standard of how each person feels), and there is no reasonable expectation of privacy in public places. That’s why it’s ok to have cameras that record streets, in stores, etc.


Changing that would basically require a change in the law, which is not likely to happen, as both governments and businesses have an interest in use of monitoring cameras. As do regular people, by the way. Think of all the dashboard cameras and Ring doorbells … think of all the people who use their phones to record misbehavior by citizens and police. Do you really want to tell all those people that they cannot record on their devices? Imagine how popular that would be. Many racist Karen’s would have gotten off scot free if there hadn’t been video of their behavior.

And these cameras may or may not be hidden … so whether they are hidden or not is probably the wrong standard.
 
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We were told about wearing clean underwear in case we were in an accident.

I guess this was a thing for a couple generations.

My guess is, they've seen worse than dirty underwear in the emergency rooms. Big Grin


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There shouldn’t be cameras where there is an expectation of privacy. Streets, stores, public buildings, OK.


The standard is a reasonable expectation of privacy (so the standard is the objective reasonable person, not the subjective standard of how each person feels), and there is no reasonable expectation of privacy in public places. That’s why it’s ok to have cameras that record streets, in stores, etc.


Changing that would basically require a change in the law, which is not likely to happen, as both governments and businesses have an interest in use of monitoring cameras. As do regular people, by the way. Think of all the dashboard cameras and Ring doorbells … think of all the people who use their phones to record misbehavior by citizens and police. Do you really want to tell all those people that they cannot record on their devices? Imagine how popular that would be. Many racist Karen’s would have gotten off scot free if there hadn’t been video of their behavior.

And these cameras may or may not be hidden … so whether they are hidden or not is probably the wrong standard.


Ok, but what about our phones' and computers' cameras' abilities to film us anywhere we use our 'devices' including in our homes?
 
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We are in a world where every one carries multiple cameras (and microphones) with them at every waking moment. Shrug


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