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https://www.nationalreview.com...g-to-bidens-ukraine/ And then there's Rudy and friends, possibly joined by Nunes....
https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/22...tor-biden/index.html
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Joe Gets Testy The problem for him is that this Senate charade highlights the quaint and increasingly cluelessly naive stance Biden continues to take about comity. Sorry, comity is over. And if Joe becomes president, he will be pushed by the party to crush Lindsey's head (metaphorically) between his hands. And that's what the Democrats should do. Supposing 2020 does not go well for Trump, and the GOP begins to repent of its Trumpism, the appropriate response is to run them over. If, after this, Joe continues to try to make nice to Graham and other Republicans, "I" won't vote for him. He needs to fight back, strongly. | |||
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Agreed, and in my opinion it can't appear to be punitive. I think Biden (in our fantasy future) could pull that off. Two random observations: 1. Why hasn't an argument been made against the "it's just politics, quid pro quo happens all the time.." crowd. Because of course diplomatic quid pro quo occurs, but the beneficiaries are the nations. In this instance, the clear beneficiary is NOT the USA, but instead is Individual 1. I suppose the die-hard Trumpers will say that what's good for him is good for the USA, but I still am surprised that the distinction between national and personal gain hasn't been made clearer. Instead, they're fighting over "quid pro quo" vs bribery and blackmail. 2. It's hard not to think about the historical context of the Ukraine v Russia. Russia (in its various flavors) has been dying to take over the Ukraine since at least tsarist times. Russia's always been the big bully. But as big as it is, Russia doesn't have the best shipping routes. Northern options are too cold (though maybe that's why they've not been big on supporting global warming!) and the push to get a port on the Black Sea has been going on for centuries. Add in agriculture and you can see why Russia wants the Ukraine. If the USA is seen as caving on Ukrainian statehood, that would be devastating. | |||
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