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Has Achieved Nirvana |
Yes, I agree. I find it hard to believe they didn't know (even if they didn't participate actively). And, they didn't have to attend a school if they thought their parents bought their way in. | |||
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Has Achieved Nirvana |
And I'm with both of you. | |||
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Has Achieved Nirvana |
What's the chance of any of these kids being expelled?
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Has Achieved Nirvana |
Gives new meaning to "Affirmative Action", no?
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"I've got morons on my team." Mitt Romney Minor Deity |
High, I think. That kind of fraud gives the school license to act, and the politics of inaction are likely really bad. Here's an individual example of expulsion and degree rescinded: Expulsion from Cornell over Fraud Harvard even got this young varmint indicted ... Indicted for Fraud on Harvard Application Yale will bust your butt too ... Yale Student Indicted for "stealing" aid via fraudulent credentials | |||
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"I've got morons on my team." Mitt Romney Minor Deity |
Here is an example of a state university's list of consequences for fraud, including rescinding of degrees earned. Thomas Edison policy Queens University Policy | |||
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Has Achieved Nirvana |
This is an actual Felicity Huffman tweet from 2016:
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Has Achieved Nirvana |
https://www.si.com/more-sports...uffman-lori-loughlin | |||
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Has Achieved Nirvana |
The papers are treating this as a celebrity scandal. How much traction do think this story would get it there were no celebrities involved?
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Has Achieved Nirvana |
I want to add this: I too am guilty of helping my kids improve their chances for college admission. U.S. Attorney's office in Boston, I'm here. Come get me. Yes, it's true. I hired tutors to help them improve their SAT scores and to help them do well on the AP exams. I gave them comments on their college admissions essays. I drove them for multiple campus visits and interviews to demonstrate interest. I'm guilty, I tell you! | |||
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Has Achieved Nirvana |
Quite a bit. It's a classic "rich people breaking the rules and paying bribes" scandal. The public loves those. | |||
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Does This Avatar Make My Butt Look Big? Minor Deity |
Oh, a lot. 'Cause a whole lot of people (like me) would love for their kids to get into Stanford and will be cheesed to find out the rich are straight-up cheating. It's bad enough that they have legacy and can use their connections so openly to get their kids an interview and a second or third look. But resorting to straight-up fraud? That was going to turn heads no matter who got caught. It is high time elite colleges started acting like the custodians of valuable assets that they are. Do elite colleges have an "inspector general" whose job it is to check out every representation on every application? It shouldn't be that hard to catch people who are lying like in this scandal or in the links posted above. It's almost like running a bank but never balancing the cash drawer. But you have to look . . . | |||
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Does This Avatar Make My Butt Look Big? Minor Deity |
And while I'm rolling . . . What's *wrong* with people? Do you really think you can leave a money trail like this and not get caught? That no one will rat you out? And you're willing to drag your child down with you? Remember the sprinter Marion Jones, who lost everything when she turned out to be doping? She never once tested positive. What brought her down was that her name appeared as a client of the doping company. When they went down, she went down. It's not your own stupidity that creates the risk. But when you do something illegal like these parents, you are trusting everyone connected with the criminal enterprise, and everyone they trust. You sure you wanna do that? | |||
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Has Achieved Nirvana |
This. I think a lot of people figure "pay for play" is SOP at elite schools and the story is no big deal. It's the celebrities who make it interesting. These parents didn't pay enough to buy a building perhaps, and maybe they paid the wrong people, but none of this sounds particularly surprising. The coverup, then. It's always the coverup.
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Has Achieved Nirvana |
Actually, it's the personal interest. The coaches pocketed the money. A private university is allowed to admit whomever it likes (subject to things like equal opportunity laws). In effect, the coaches were stealing money from the university (and perhaps undercutting the university's usual price). | |||
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