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Has Achieved Nirvana |
I'm not so sure about this...
https://www.npr.org/sections/h...g-new-covid-boosters Whenever a mouse-based study is reported in the news, my friend the researcher says "they should have used rats." Her take is that mice are not a good proxy for human trials and that rat trials are much better. I sent her the article.
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Has Achieved Nirvana |
Looking for a universal COVID vaccine. https://www.bbc.com/future/art...iversal-covid-19-jab
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(self-titled) semi-posting lurker Minor Deity |
Please report back about your friend's reaction to the use of mice rather than rats. I was hoping there would be a new shot in Sept, but if it hasn't been tested on humans, that makes me feel very hesitant!
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Shut up and play your guitar! Minor Deity |
Fools. The anti-vaxers will definitely jump on this and who would blame them? | |||
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"I've got morons on my team." Mitt Romney Minor Deity |
Just speaking with two physicians over breakfast ... The mouse may be a fine proxy for this kind of testing. That rat may be better for certain tests and conditions, but the mouse may be fine, or better, for this specific use. In other words, one animal model may not dominate over all uses. I don't really care about anti-vaxers and their beliefs/attitudes. They're not part of the equation. There is some political risk here, but if the researchers can demonstrate the validity of animal models over human models, it is certainly the way to go. You can get a 200,000 sample size very quickly, and without subjecting real humans to being "controls" who don't get the potentially life-saving "treatment" and suffer excess mortality and morbidity as a result. | |||
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Shut up and play your guitar! Minor Deity |
They should not be "part of the equation" in any sense. I am just saying that they will probably turn it into an outrage topic. | |||
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Has Achieved Nirvana |
It seems like this is getting some pushback from the medical community. See the comments in the article by several people in the field, including some who advise the FDA. My friend is the objective scientist type, teaches at a medical school, and interacts with people who have quality info about this kind of stuff. If she responds to my email (she's been super busy lately) I'll post her comments here.
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Has Achieved Nirvana |
They are still at the "EUA" stage of clearance. They'll never get their act together. | |||
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Has Achieved Nirvana |
From my friend:
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Has Achieved Nirvana |
And in the general COVID FWIW department...she recently took a trip to the UK for a conference. She's double vaxxed, double boosted, has been masking and being careful, all because she's concerned about long COVID.
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(self-titled) semi-posting lurker Minor Deity |
I'm definitely going to keep masking in public, while teaching, etc. But next week I'm also going to go back to working in my campus office every day instead of working from home and only going to campus to teach my classes and then return home right away. So I'm a little worried about trying to be masked all the time, but not mask when I'm alone in my office... Oh and we have a dept. meeting and a college-level meeting in-person next week as well. I'm planning to be masked, but I will probably be one of the few. Let's see how awkward it is. And like your friend's plane ride, between those two meetings, I'll be in a room with 100+ people for probably a total of 5-6 hours altogether on Tuesday. Yay. Also, we have been invited to a cousin's wedding (in Oct., they are inviting maybe 250 ish people, invites say nothing about vaxxing or masking etc.) I am about 90% certain I'm going to say we're not going. We can't keep doing this forever... But I can keep doing it for a little while longer... At least that's what I tell myself.
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Has Achieved Nirvana |
Pretty interesting stuff about vaccines and immunity...reader mode works with WaPo articles, but if you can't get to it, let me know and I'll post it as a gift link. It's longish but I think definitely worth reading.
https://www.washingtonpost.com...e-response-boosters/
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Has Achieved Nirvana |
I'm sorry to hear about your friend, wtg. I don't think that any one of us is safe. SO found out yesterday that his aunt had a heart attack and then was diagnosed with Covid at the hospital. I finally decided to Google testing options. I don't believe that rapid tests are accurate enough personally. I knew about PCR tests. The blood test must have slipped my mind. | |||
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Has Achieved Nirvana |
I do agree with the last sentence. But I don't think that the efficacy and durability of the vaccines are or ever were great personally. | |||
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Has Achieved Nirvana |
Thanks, Daniel. She says she feels fine. And she's the one who sent me the link to that WaPo article I just posted. There's so much we don't know about this virus and how our immune systems react to it, and to the vaccines. Just to be clear, the blood test is not used to diagnose COVID. It tells you what the level of neutralizing antibodies is in your blood is. You can have antibodies from either having had the virus and/or being vaccinated. Problem is, we don't really know what levels are protective, so it's hard to interpret the number you get back from the blood test.
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