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I never said a white guy would have been allowed to drive himself home. I did ask whether it was mandatory for him to be arrested. I haven't heard anything about what's "typical" for these situations. I honestly don't know. But would he have been offered an out like "call an Uber or a friend, buddy"?
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It makes perfect sense, can you tell it to the protesters?
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You're talking to someone who is nicknamed Spock by her friends. Welcome to the human race. Cat herding at its best.
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It is completely coherent to question the logical leap from individual incidents culled from millions of arrests, to proof of systemic murderous racism by cops against black people due to the color of their skin. It's just that that bit of coherence is dismissed as pure ignorance by people who then proceed to lament our inability to have a coherent discussion. | |||
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Your hatred of Trump betrays slightly more rage inside of you than this Spock persona would imply. | |||
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| (self-titled) semi-posting lurker Minor Deity  |
Is the most logical emotion....
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I don't usually disagree with you but I can't agree with this. First, you call him, "Perp," (vs. Cop), and so, you've set the narrative structure of your topic. Still, I read your posts, read WTG's, and watched both videos. Incidentally, I don't like watching videos of shootings but 9 times out of 10 (as here) it happens off camera. Mayor Bottoms says being shot with the (cop's) tazer is no reason for this man to have been shot dead with a gun? She's right. This man was not drinking and driving. He was being polite and respectful. He explained clearly that he could lock his car and walk to his sister's house. The cop forced a breathalyzer test on him in violation of the 14th Amendment. The cop would not have provoked any similar situation if the person had not been a minority. There were two cops. They are cowards. They understood what they were doing when they forced the breathalyzer test. They can't (or won't) keep control of their tazors let alone guns. One senselessly killed this man off camera. I assume the other did nothing. My 2 cents. | |||
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Your description leaves out the part about struggling with the cop and commandeering his weapon. Surely that makes this not just a DUI. That puts him squarely in the violent and dangerous category. But yeah, if it were just a dui then no such use of force would be justified.
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I should add I’m open to the idea that this was a bad arrest, though it’s not generally the case that an officer has to witness the actual crime to arrest you for it. But the mayor didn’t say he was being fired for a bad arrest. She said he was being fired for using the only force escalation point at his disposal while being targeted by a dangerous and violent criminal. That seems like an impossible position to put cops in. And surely a losing issue for the movement as a whole.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53047282
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Sums it up. https://www.ajc.com/news/local...oNf30ffg5lH8CET3sVI/
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| (self-titled) semi-posting lurker Minor Deity |
The guy had a taser. Cops use tasers on people all of the time because tasers are "not dangerous" and "don't kill you." If that narrative is true -- though I am not convinced it is, hence my scare-quotes -- but if that narrative is true, the drunk man with the taser was not dangerous. You (i.e., the police) can't say tasers aren't dangerous, and then use the fact that someone has one as an excuse for escalating to deadly force. Also, as per the NYTs article that details how the man died, it says he was shot in the back. In other words, he was running away. Since when is someone running away from you a threat? Also we're talking about a dui (not even really *driving*, he was in the drive-through window asleep...), not someone with a gun actively try to shoot other people. This matters, because what evidence is there that he would be a danger to others if he ran away? (IOW, if you have an armed criminal shoot people and then he starts running away, the case for firing at someone running away is a little different). I think this is the crux of the matter, and this is probably why the police officer was fired and the police chief resigned. Because the officer aimed at a man who was running away, shot him in the back, and killed him.
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| (self-titled) semi-posting lurker Minor Deity |
Sorry, not NYT, CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/14...ks-sunday/index.html But here's the NYT article as well: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/0...ries&pgtype=Homepage And as these articles and the one posted by WTG note, the death was ruled a homicide, so...
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I don't think that means what you think it means.
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