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| his optics make no difference whatsoever. he will steal the election, so he don't need no steekin' optics. -------------------------------- fear is the thief of dreams
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| "“Get a mask whether you like the mask or not — they have an impact,” he read, with enthusiasm more commonly seen in hostage videos." |
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Minor Deity
| quote: Originally posted by Piano*Dad: This worrying seems hyperventilated and pretty weird. Because DJT dons (pun intended) a mask, all of a sudden millions of Americans will wake up from their lefty-media-induced torpor and realize just how commanding and brilliant our dear leader actually is? C'mon. And October surprises are more likely to hit him than dull Joe. The Mooch says Ghislaine "has the goods" on Trump
The people to worry about are the people in the middle who don't bathe in MSNBC and CNN all day. They might see Trump as tolerable, and that is enough to make them lukewarm about making a change. |
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| It boggles my mind that there are people who see Trump as "tolerable," but I know they're out there. I wonder what criteria they are using in their assessment? The only thing I can come up with is economic, because on almost any other measure he comes up far, far short. I think the polarizing issue with Trump is that people have different opinions on him based on strongly held values, and values are notoriously difficult to change. He also brings with him a real sense of tribalism (groupism, cultism, whatever you want to call it), which appeals to many people. There was an interesting article in the NYT (maybe Sunday?) about a woman who joined up with a group of white supremacists, and later quit. What she was attracted to was the opportunity to feel like she belonged, and was in a group where she was being heard (even if what she was hearing eventually caused her to get out). Interesting to me, she had left the white supremacy world and eventually became a Muslim and is very active in that community. Some might see that she simply traded one group for another, and it's our values that make the move seem like a "good" one. I guess this is a long way of saying that a lot of political identification is very deep-rooted and has little to do with platforms, policy statements or even rational logic. My 2c! |
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| Judicial appointments. All they needed was a Republican president. Trump may have temporarily done a 180 but history seems to indicate its not sustainable because his resolve collapses at the first sign of resistance. If Fox News gets on board with masks, that will present more of a problem. -------------------------------- When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier
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| quote: resolve
This is a good point. Trump has zero resolve. Re Fox, are saying if Fox starts advocating masking up, it will tip the election in favor of Trump?? |
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| I stole this because it sums up where I think we stand: quote: President Donald Trump keeps trying to change the subject. His Twitter feed and his rallies reveal an incumbent who probably doesn't want this election to be about the one issue dominating all of our lives right now: the coronavirus.
But make no mistake: Unless something changes dramatically, whichever candidate is trusted more to handle the virus will win the election.
Trump likely wants to switch topics because he realizes how poorly he is currently polling on the issue.
In poll after poll, voters say former Vice President Joe Biden is better equipped to handle the issue than Trump. A Pew Research Center poll released last week found that 52% of voters were confident that Biden could deal with coronavirus. Only 41% said the same about Trump.
You'll notice each of those percentages lined up nearly perfectly with the share of voters who would vote for each candidate. Biden earned 54% in the horse race to Trump's 44%. The pattern of vote choice being tied to feelings about the virus has been consistent for months. quote: Coronavirus has managed to top at least 20% for the nation's most important problem in the last three Gallup polls (April, May and late May to early June). It's very rare for a non-economic problem to reach 20% in one month, let alone three consecutive months.
Now, there was a drop in the percentage who said coronavirus was the most important problem from May to early June.
However, the percentage who are worried about the virus has ticked up in recent weeks. The percentage who said they were at least moderately worried about the availability of hospital supplies, services and treatment jumped 10 points in Gallup's last poll. A record high 65% said they thought the coronavirus situation in the country was getting worse.
Indeed, that's the key facet of the pandemic: It doesn't seem like it's going away. Cases are surging. Experts believe a vaccine will arrive, but not before year's end at least. The chance that the virus is not at least near the top of the voters' minds come November seems small at this time.
What we're seeing in the polling now is exactly what we'd expect given history. I previously noted that we've had a number of elections where there was a non-economic issue at or near the top of voters' minds at the time of the election.
All of them had a consistent message: An incumbent who wins on the top non-economic issue is reelected. An incumbent who is not trusted on the issue either loses or drops out of the race.
For Trump, the data is clear. Either he has to convince voters he's the man they want over Biden to handle coronavirus, or he'll likely be defeated no matter how much he tries to shift the country's attention. https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/09...rus-trump/index.htmlIf he's perceived as starting to deal with the virus disaster, it might swing some votes his way. But.... Kind of boils down to whether people's attitudes towards masks could shift quickly enough to affect the current huge rise in cases. The fact that many of the areas hardest hit are in GOP states means that the people we need to change their votes are staring the COVID monster in the eye. Ultimately the virus will call the shots. -------------------------------- When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier
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| quote: whether people's attitudes towards masks could shift quickly enough to affect the current huge rise in cases
I do not see this happening. The no-maskers are, shall we say, deeply entrenched. |
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| DeVos is helping the cause with her brand of science. quote: “More and more studies show that kids are actually stoppers of the disease and they don’t get it and transmit it themselves, so we should be in a posture of — the default should be getting back to school kids in person, in the classroom.”
— Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, in an interview on “The Conservative Circus” (iHeart radio), July 16
Our eyes popped out when we first heard this comment by Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, as she pressed the administration’s case for reopening schools in the fall with in-person classes.
Could children actually be “stoppers” of covid-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus? That would be great news — if true. The interruption of school threatens to create a learning deficit — and many parents may find it difficult to return to work if children are not in classes.
An Education Department spokesperson supplied four reports from around the world:
American Academy of Pediatrics: Evidence suggests that children don’t contract or spread the virus the way adults do, in contrast to how they spread influenza. New South Wales, Australia: Eighteen infected people who had contact with nearly 900 people resulted in only two additional infections, with “no evidence of children infecting teachers.” France: An infected 9-year-old in France came into contact with 172 people while attending three ski schools, and none of them — not even the child’s siblings — appeared to contract the virus. Saxony, Germany: A study (in German) found no evidence that schoolchildren play a role in spreading the virus, with a researcher quoted in a news report as saying that “children may even act as a brake on infection.” “We’re mainly looking at the German study — one of the people who helped run it is the one who first said that kids can act as ‘brakes’ on virus transmission,” the Education Department spokesperson said.
Well, there’s a problem with that. The German study has not been peer-reviewed; it is still in preprint review by the Lancet, meaning it should not be used to guide clinical practice.
Moreover, the German researchers told The Fact Checker that the results do not apply to a country such as the United States, where infections have been soaring. Germany, by contrast, is among the countries that are considered to have handled the outbreak with skill and diligence, keeping infections per million people relatively low.
“Our results depict a situation with low infection rates after the initial transmission peak is under control,” Jakob Armann, a pediatric infectious-disease specialist at University Children’s Hospital in Dresden and co-author of the study, said in an email. “If you have rising infection rates — as in the United States currently — putting people in close contact will obviously lead to transmission of respiratory viruses as SARS-CoV-2.”
The key, he said, is to get the situation under control, as most Europeans countries have. Then “there is a way to safely reopen schools and schoolchildren are not ‘hidden’ hotspots of transmission.”
Reinhard Berner, Armann’s colleague, made the “brake” comment, but Armann said his quote was “widely exaggerated through in the media.” (The phrase does not appear in the study.)
“The point he was trying to make is that these findings are in contrast to the earlier assumptions that children will spread the virus to a much higher degree than adults,” Armann said. “We are not trying to argue that children do not spread the virus at all, and you are absolutely right that in high-infection communities, children will get infected and will transmit to close contacts.”
It’s easy to find studies and news reports that contradict DeVos’s assertion https://www.washingtonpost.com...e-stoppers-covid-19/ -------------------------------- When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the garden - Minnie Aumônier
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| Cook Report ......shifts more states. Florida now leans Democratic rather than toss up. Other "likely GOP" states move to "lean." Biden now at 308 without any "toss ups." Heck, there are ONLY three toss-ups left. We don't need no stinkin' (and usually stupid) debates. Tell Trumpkins that if he wants a debate he must agree to release his tax returns on par with Biden's releases, and he must agree to simultaneous fact-checking. Watch him choke on his hamburger and decline. |
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| I think that's an excellent idea, on both counts.
On the main point, the new cases aren't going down, the number of new deaths continues to climb, and even countries that are taking precautions seriously are seeing unexpected outbreaks.
Beyond that, even if the disease magically disappeared tomorrow, he's gotta deal with the fact that there have been 150,000 deaths already, when he had repeatedly predicted lower numbers. He'll be very lucky if it isn't 200,000 by Election Day. That needs to be a mantra. |
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| quote: Originally posted by Piano*Dad: This worrying seems hyperventilated and pretty weird. Because DJT dons (pun intended) a mask, all of a sudden millions of Americans will wake up from their lefty-media-induced torpor and realize just how commanding and brilliant our dear leader actually is? C'mon. And October surprises are more likely to hit him than dull Joe. The Mooch says Ghislaine "has the goods" on Trump
Maybe but where is she now? She's not in a position to do anything to anyone. |
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