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Originally posted by RealPlayer:

Not only that, there are some pianos (by no means all) where you can feel the vibrations through the fingers.

Oh, good. A "RealPlayer" thinks so, too.


I thought maybe I was just having vibes, so I'm glad to know that my subjective experience represents something real.

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Originally posted by ShiroKuro:

The idea of hearing being connected to skin is super interesting as well!

The research in the article I posted is actually relevant to your work, because the researchers determined that, when we're speaking so somebody nearby, we respond to the slight differences in the puffs of air that we make when pronouncing sounds like "b" and "p," sensing them through our skin. When we're too far away to feel them, our comprehension drops even beyond the decrease in our ability to hear at a distance.

It makes me wonder if there are other things we sense through our skin. Maybe that's what we're detecting when something feels "off" about our surroundings, but we can't say why.

Any tech that has tried to find a phantom buzz on or around a piano knows that that the whole piano is often alive with vibrations!

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The top-of-the-line Yamahas, from my limited experience — like the CFX? — are pretty darn nice. I hear they involve a lot of hand labor and that they have borrowed attributes of Boesendorfer, which they own.

not crazy about boesendorfers, either.

i find it forever fascinating how different people resonate to different piano qualities. i have found that people who love the same kind of piano tend to share tastes in other things, too, like books and movies.

would be a fun experiment to have a thread where we name our favorite piano make, plus our favorite book, movie, place, vacation spot, food, etc. and see how alike or different our tastes are in other areas as well.

there's a documentary film called "touch the sound" about a deaf woman musician/composer. she feels the music by pressing her body against the wall to feel the vibrations.

Hey, Mary Anna --
The first time I played a Sauter grand, I felt absolutely connected to the instrument. Quite an experience. Even my pedaling was a little different.

Oh. I like Boesies just fine. But they are a different beast tonally.

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Originally posted by catladyII:
Hey, Mary Anna --
The first time I played a Sauter grand, I felt absolutely connected to the instrument. Quite an experience. Even my pedaling was a little different.

That's the way I felt about my piano. I walked into the dealership planning to trade a medium-sized Baldwin that was no longer worth repairing for a smaller, new piano that would be trouble-free for a long time. I played the C7 and I felt like I immediately played better. The action suited me and I thought it sounded beautiful.

There was a Baldwin on the floor next to it that was new old stock, so it had been built in the US and was a very nice piano. I was used to a Baldwin and would have thought it would have been the one that spoke to me, but it sounded harsh compared to the C7 and the action felt ragged. It just wasn't for me.

Could I horn in on this conversation? I should my Steinway M as a casualty on the flood, and am now looking for a good upright. I'm always hoping to run across a used Pleyel, but there are also a few interesting options at my preferred store now.
The first is 2006 Yamaha YUS5, and the second is a 2015 Seiler 132. I haven't played either yet, but I'm curious if anyone has any opinions on these in general. I've played as sorts of Yamahas, but only a Seiler grand that was lovely.

Any thoughts?

Geez, can you tell I was partying from my phone?

I SOLD my Steinway as a casualty OF the flood ...

I give up. Partying = posting.

Slinks away....

Hahahaha! I prefer the image of you partying on your phone while dreaming of Pleyels...

There is a Grotrian dealer in Portland. Take a look at the Concertina upright. I personally like it better than the Pleyel uprights I have played. But how the Pleyel performs depends so much on who prepared it for sale....

IIRR kathyk has/had a Seiler grand. I haven't played one, nor the upright, so can't help you there. Let us know how you liked it!

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Originally posted by Mary Anna:

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Originally posted by ShiroKuro:

The idea of hearing being connected to skin is super interesting as well!

The research in the article I posted is actually relevant to your work, because the researchers determined that, when we're speaking so somebody nearby, we respond to the slight differences in the puffs of air that we make when pronouncing sounds like "b" and "p," sensing them through our skin. When we're too far away to feel them, our comprehension drops even beyond the decrease in our ability to hear at a distance.

It makes me wonder if there are other things we sense through our skin. Maybe that's what we're detecting when something feels "off" about our surroundings, but we can't say why.

Oh interesting! (Also busted, I didn’t read the article you linked! but I will now.)

It’s interesting too because some languages make distinctions between consonants that we don’t make in English, like in Korean, the presense or absence of that “puff of air” in what is otherwise the same consonant makes the consonant different in a way that we don’t have in English. Like different B or P sounds, whereas in English we only have one B and P sound.