Agreed.

But the states we need to win back do not have a lot of older, religious black people. Who cares if blacks in SC won’t support him.

The real issue is more nasty.

JFK was elected despite bias against Catholics. If there are any pics of him taking communion or kissing the pope’s ring, I have not seen them.

If Mayor Pete gives his husband a big old kiss in front of the cameras, he will lose votes. And if he doesn’t feel like he can kiss Chase the way Al kissed Tipper, that is sad.

Holy smokes.

Latest NH had Pete surging to take a ten point lead over Warren, who saw her support crater in the same poll two weeks ago. She dropped 10 points.

Also moving up is Klobuchar.

Harris is on life support, at one percent.

Hmmmm. I could live with Pete and Amy on the ticket. Midwestern Strong!

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Originally posted by Cindysphinx:
Agreed.

But the states we need to win back do not have a lot of older, religious black people. Who cares if blacks in SC won’t support him.

I don’t know, some of these states could be pretty close, and AA turnout in places like Philly and Detroit, Dayton and Cleveland, etc., could make a difference.

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Originally posted by jon-nyc:

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Originally posted by Cindysphinx:
Agreed.

But the states we need to win back do not have a lot of older, religious black people. Who cares if blacks in SC won’t support him.

I don’t know, some of these states could be pretty close, and AA turnout in places like Philly and Detroit, Dayton and Cleveland, etc., could make a difference.

I think you're correct, although id worry more about Milwaukee than Dayton. I'm not counting on Ohio. It seems to be getting redder. But Pete could help in other places, like Florida.

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Originally posted by Cindysphinx:
Agreed.

But the states we need to win back do not have a lot of older, religious black people. Who cares if blacks in SC won’t support him.

The real issue is more nasty.

JFK was elected despite bias against Catholics. If there are any pics of him taking communion or kissing the pope’s ring, I have not seen them.

If Mayor Pete gives his husband a big old kiss in front of the cameras, he will lose votes. And if he doesn’t feel like he can kiss Chase the way Al kissed Tipper, that is sad.

Spot on about the dilemma, including the last point. But politics is a rough and tumble sport that isn't for the faint of heart. If Chasten has to stay chaste on the sidelines, that may be a necessary choice.

There is some speculation that Stacey Abrams might be willing to join a ticket as VP. I wonder what a Pete/Stacey ticket might be able to do.

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Originally posted by QuirtEvans:
There is some speculation that Stacey Abrams might be willing to join a ticket as VP. I wonder what a Pete/Stacey ticket might be able to do.

Win!

No doubt there are pictures of Pete and Chastain kissing
in Republican hands.
Pete/Stacey? You gotta be kidding.

Yeah, Mayor of South Bend probably needs more than a state representative as a running mate.

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Originally posted by jon-nyc:
Yeah, Mayor of South Bend probably needs more than a state representative as a running mate.

A real estate developer is a better choice than those two?

I think not.

Every potential VP choice has flaws, of one kind or another. You can pick apart anyone. (And, with respect to everyone currently in the field, the Democratic voters already have.) The key isn't what's wrong with them. The key is what they bring to the table.

The most valuable criticism of this hypothetical ticket I've heard so far is that black men might have a problem voting for a black woman. If they have a problem voting for a homosexual, adding a black woman to the ticket doesn't bring them into the fold.

To be clear, I don't know whether that's true or not. But, if true, it would reduce the value to making Stacey Pete's VP choice.

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The real issue is more nasty.

JFK was elected despite bias against Catholics. If there are any pics of him taking communion or kissing the pope’s ring, I have not seen them.

If Mayor Pete gives his husband a big old kiss in front of the cameras, he will lose votes. And if he doesn’t feel like he can kiss Chase the way Al kissed Tipper, that is sad.

Totally agree.

I cringe at their public displays of affection not because of my own revulsion, but because I know that, on a visceral level, it will turn off most straight people, no matter what their politics. They need to stop doing that. Which, I agree, is sad. But it's better if they don't keep on reminding people that he has sex with a man.

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The most valuable criticism of this hypothetical ticket I've heard so far is that black men might have a problem voting for a black woman. If they have a problem voting for a homosexual, adding a black woman to the ticket doesn't bring them into the fold.

Somebody explain this to me? What is their problem?

Black men will vote for a black woman. No problem, no issue.

Not sure they will vote for a prosecutor with a record like Harris '.

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Originally posted by Cindysphinx:
Black men will vote for a black woman. No problem, no issue.

Not sure they will vote for a prosecutor with a record like Harris '.

Thank you for restoring my faith

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Originally posted by piqué:

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Originally posted by Cindysphinx:
Black men will vote for a black woman. No problem, no issue.

Not sure they will vote for a prosecutor with a record like Harris '.

Thank you for restoring my faith

Unfortunately, it avoids the point I raised. I did not suggest that black men could have a problem voting for a black woman as President. Let me say it again, in clearer language:

1. It has been suggested publicly that black men might be reticent to vote for a homosexual man. If black men have a problem voting for a homosexual man, then

2. It's unclear whether adding a black woman to the ticket (as VP) overcomes that problem.

I have no way to gauge whether the first point is true or not (I've read speculation, but I absolutely defer to the judgment of others on this issue).

Likewise, if the first point is true, I have no way to gauge whether a black woman would help in that circumstance, or not.