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New Iowa Frontrunner
18 November 2019, 12:53 PM
jodiNew Iowa Frontrunner
I hope you are right, Nina.
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Jodi
18 November 2019, 01:07 PM
NinaMe, too. (insert worried emoji here)
18 November 2019, 01:26 PM
jon-nycquote:
Originally posted by jodi:
quote:
Originally posted by piqué:
the people who don't like it that he's married to a man are going to vote for trump anyway.
Agreed.
I think it’s more complicated than that. I’m told there are a lot of socially conservative African Americans who usually vote democratic, for example. They may well stay home rather than vote for Pete, at least at the margins.
I could imagine Buttigieg picking a Veep that might help him counteract that.
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18 November 2019, 01:50 PM
NinaAt the risk of stating the obvious
Booker - might be good, but he's very similar to Buttigieg in terms of policy, etc.
Harris - might appeal to the law and order crowd but wouldn't necessarily be helpful given the incarceration rates for African Americans while she was AG in California (granted, she was following the law but that doesn't seem to have helped her knock down those criticisms)
Biden - no freaking way would he ever be another VEEP
Who else?
18 November 2019, 07:10 PM
Piano*Dadquote:
Booker - might be good, but he's very similar to Buttigieg in terms of policy, etc.
I don't think that's a problem. Trying to buy the votes from ideological communities doesn't work too well, I think, because people understand that the VP's policy role is so tenuous and undefined. On the other hand, I think the VP choice can work well at an identity level, reinforcing the importance of inclusion at a very basic level.
18 November 2019, 08:03 PM
NinaYeah, it's tough to know the strength of whatever is keeping people from the polls v encouraging them to vote. If the number of more centrist-leaning non-Black voters that would vote Harris is more than the number of Blacks who would stay away, then she is a good choices, regardless of identity politics.
I'm guessing that's what the pollsters are doing behind the scenes. At least I hope it is.
18 November 2019, 08:56 PM
QuirtEvansquote:
Originally posted by piqué:
the people who don't like it that he's married to a man are going to vote for trump anyway.
I expect that the bigger worry are people who'd never say out loud that they don't want to vote for a man who is married to another man, but nevertheless might look for excuses to stay away from the polls. The people who are a little embarrassed about their homophobia.
18 November 2019, 10:15 PM
Big JohnI'm in the same Episcopal diocese as he. he got married at our diocesan cathedral.
Everyone is pretty over the moon about it.
One thing he is doing is flooding youtube with messages -- almost daily. And god forbid you get on his text or email lists. Sometimes several a day.
Then there are dank meme stashes all over the place along with all the pete 2020 artwork for creators. Then various groups like "Pete Buttigieg is Hot!" with "those kinds of" memes and stuff.
Very organized. In much the same way that Trcump used Twitter Buttigieg is also. Better because it's NOT just Twitter.
Interesting to watch.
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18 November 2019, 10:18 PM
Big Johnfun animated gif showing his many talents in two words.
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18 November 2019, 10:18 PM
Big John
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19 November 2019, 05:26 AM
Danielquote:
Originally posted by Piano*Dad:
I worry that he might NOT be the best positioned to eat Trump's lunch. That might be Biden, unless Joe completely unravels (even more so than he is managing to do currently ...). I know that some people have jumped all over his campaign for even thinking that they might have a sexuality issue with the African American community, but I think he probably DOES have a sexuality issue within that voting block. Anecdotes are just that, but mine is knowing African Americans who would not consider pulling the lever for him precisely because he is openly gay and married. His turnout in the minority community might condemn us to another four years of Trump buffoonery, national-international retreat, and (perhaps fatal) institutional erosion.
+1
19 November 2019, 08:06 AM
DanielBig John-
19 November 2019, 08:22 AM
Piano*DadYes, Daniel, I said that.
But I'm still voting for the guy if I get the chance!
19 November 2019, 08:51 AM
Danielquote:
Originally posted by Piano*Dad:
Yes, Daniel, I said that.
But I'm still voting for the guy if I get the chance!
19 November 2019, 08:39 PM
CHASToo many African Americans will not vote for
a gay man.
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