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| (self-titled) semi-posting lurker Minor Deity  |
I don't think it's the same thing, recall from what I quoted:
While I was playing, I could still here some people's background sounds, so I don't think everyone was muted via an action on the part of the host (Ax). I might be wrong though. Let's see if Ax sees this and has anything to add.
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I think Ax tried muting everyone one time. It didn't seem to make a difference in the sound quality. I don't know if he muted people individually, or if there is some global group mute function.
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| (self-titled) semi-posting lurker Minor Deity |
Hmmm.... so maybe it might not work. Basically my thinking is that there must be some way to configure it so that one participant is treated as a presenter and other participants are treated as listeners. This should result in Zoom maintaining continuous audio from the presenter. And it should be different from individually muting each participant, which could be something you'd do, say, if people had a lot of background noise. The meeting host ought to be able to *prevent* other people from assuming the role of speaker, which I don't think Ax did yesterday.
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| (self-titled) semi-posting lurker Minor Deity |
Yeah, I'm pretty sure we didn't use "spotlight video" yesterday, but it might be a solution:
Note the distinction between "pin video" which an individual user can do, and "spotlight" which makes one user the speaker for all users, e.g. to have someone be a keynote speaker: https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-.../201362743-Pin-Video https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201362653 Also, now I'm wondering if Zoom makes a distinction between a meeting (which is what we did yesterday) and a "webinar," In other platforms, like WebEx, Webinars are generally set up to have one person as the main speaker and other attendees are listeners until there's a Q&A session. If we could use these different modes, and switch back and forth, and use the chat function while someone was playing, I bet we would have better audio...
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| (self-titled) semi-posting lurker Minor Deity |
Yep, Zoom has two possible modes, meeting and webinar.
https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-...d-Webinar-Comparison Now, that doesn't mean that webinar is the right mode, but it's something to consider. (Also, sorry for the multiple posts, but besides the fact that I like this kind of troubleshooting, I've just started exchanging emails with a colleague about how to move a May conference to an online format, so this is really helping me!)
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Minor Deity |
It's this: https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-...serve-original-sound There is a "Preserve Original Sound" option for Zoom that was not enabled. The "Preserve Original Sound" option essentially disables the various echo canceling and background noise canceling technologies that Zoom enables by default to optimize its treatment of human speech at the expense of compromising everything else that is not human speech. Good news is I can make that option available to every participant. I was testing it this morning, and it significantly improves music sound quality. I can switch the "Preserve Original Sound" option on and off as needed depending on whether I want to speak or I want to share my piano playing. Bad news is only the Windows and macOS clients can use the "Preserve Original Sound" option. The iOS and Android client apps do not support that option.
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| (self-titled) semi-posting lurker Minor Deity |
Ax, that's interesting... So I tested Zoom with my mother prior to the WTF piano party, and she felt that the sound was better with my iPhone than with my laptop (I have a PC)... But again, since it was only two participants, that's probably significant. What do you think about the support info I've C&Ped? I think using "spotlight" when someone is playing might help because in theory, Zoom shouldn't be "primed" to cut away from one speaker to another, which I think is the default mode in Zoom meetings. Maybe we should use a combination of "preserve original sound" and spotlight? That way we could stay in "meetings" (rather than try webinar) but when someone plays, their video/audio would be the only one streamed. (right?)
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| Minor Deity |
Indeed, Shiro, we should use combinations of techniques, including the spotlight/pinning technique you mentioned.
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| (self-titled) semi-posting lurker Minor Deity |
Next time we schedule a party, we can get maybe three or four of us together to test it out a day or so in advance. 
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| czarina Has Achieved Nirvana  |
that is good news. i can bring my laptop to the piano and use an external mic.
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Minor Deity |
What a great idea. Sorry I missed it. Just saw this. Jf
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Beatification Candidate |
I wasn't part of this party, but hope to see some future ones scheduled. It sounds like some good ideas are being developed to resolve certain technical difficulties. I also enjoyed seeing the screen shots of some participants. I recognized some that I'd met previously IRL and others that I know from photos they've posted in the forum. The Pittsburgh Public Theater has begun a series of readings of plays via Zoom. The readers are all professional actors. They have the technology pretty well in hand; I was pleasantly surprised by how smoothly the transitions between actors flowed, almost as well as if they were on stage together. It's clear that this platform can deliver very acceptable results. Did anyone record this initial virtual piano party? If so, can you post a link to the recording. I'd like to see it. Big Al
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| knitterati Beatification Candidate  |
Jodi, my uke friend Jann has been jamming with her uke groups. They take turns sending around the mic so one person is spotlighted at a time, kind of like in a real jam. Sounds like it would be helpful.
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| Shut up and play your guitar! Minor Deity  |
You all just need to get MacBook Pro laptops, and learn some Bach!  | |||
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