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Peggy Noonan's take

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20 June 2022, 10:33 AM
wtg
Peggy Noonan's take
Peggy Noonan had an op ed in the WSJ. I don't have a WSJ subscription, but a friend sent me a link to a Mediate article that has a link to the Noonan editorial. I was able to read Noonan's piece.

https://www.mediaite.com/polit...source=pocket_mylist

quote:
Trump Voters Need a New Direction
He might have been the only Republican who could beat Hillary in 2016. But he’s a sure loser in 2024.


Let me know if you are successful in getting to the op-ed. ....


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20 June 2022, 10:40 AM
wtg
And on a related note...

quote:
Gov. Asa Hutchinson hasn’t jumped as far into the political deep waters as U.S. Rep. Liz Cheney has, but he’s waded a lot farther than most Republican officeholders.

On “Fox News Sunday,” Hutchinson told host Bret Baier that he doesn’t believe former President Trump is “criminally responsible” for the riot at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. However, he said Trump is “politically and morally responsible for much of what has happened.”

Hutchinson called the work by the select congressional committee investigating the riot “an important review.” He added that the American people don’t want to “focus on the past” and that Democrats are mistaken if they just “relitigate what they did in the impeachment.”

Hutchinson could have stopped there. He’d already said a lot. He went further in response to a question about his own party. I’ll quote his answer in its entirety.

“Well, I hope that the future of the Republican Party is different than former President Trump’s leadership,” he said. “I hope we move in a different direction. I believe that what happened on Jan. 6 is a lot at his feet. It was wrong for our country, and for him to continue to push that theory, I agree is the wrong direction for the Republican Party.

“I think there’s many Republicans that are looking for an off-ramp, new opportunities to find leadership in the future. Obviously what President Trump, there’s a lot of things that he did that were very good, that the base and I agree with, but he got off track on Jan. 6, and that was a costly error for our democracy, and I agree with a lot of the comments. He has responsibility there. We need to make sure that’s clear.

“I think Republicans need to do a lot of soul searching as to what is the right thing here, what is the right thing to say for our party and our democracy and our future, and not simply appeal to the basis instincts of some of our base.”


https://news.yahoo.com/gop-nee...-ramp-110015371.html


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20 June 2022, 08:02 PM
Nina
From Noonan's article:

quote:
“He is sort of a 1950s caricature of a woman,” she continued, in a barb clearly aimed at getting under Trump’s skin as he is known to be obsessed with masculinity.

Big Grin

The GOP will turn on Noonan (if they haven't already), who could do no wrong during the Reagan era.
25 June 2022, 10:49 AM
jon-nyc
I think people including Hutchinson put too much on Jan 6th. That was just the cinematic conclusion to a months-long effort to steal the election. It’s unlikely we’ll see another Jan 6, but the real danger - getting partisan local officials to invalidate swathes of votes, not certify totals from districts that vote against their guy, send in competing electors, etc - has only increased since 2020.


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25 June 2022, 11:18 AM
wtg
I think "Jan 6" is the modern equivalent to "Watergate". It's shorthand that describes a whole series of troublesome activities and not meant to literally reference a single event.

You think there are people who don't know that? Wink

edit: The only ones I know are the folks who want to brush off/excuse what happened, and that's easier to do if you narrow the discussion and then quibble about technicalities...


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25 June 2022, 01:07 PM
QuirtEvans
quote:
Originally posted by wtg:
I think "Jan 6" is the modern equivalent to "Watergate". It's shorthand that describes a whole series of troublesome activities and not meant to literally reference a single event.

You think there are people who don't know that? Wink

edit: The only ones I know are the folks who want to bush off/excuse what happened, and that's easier to do if you narrow the discussion and then quibble about technicalities...


I think it’s both. It’s all of the events leading up to the 6th, but then it’s ordinary citizens assaulting Capitol officers and vandalizing the Capitol. The second is the culmination of the first, but it’s also in a separate category, and involved different people.

If Trump had done everything he’d done to try to steal the election and then stopped short of advocating insurrection, he’d still be a criminal who tried to start a coup.

So the 6th is both shorthand for the whole process as well as a discrete set of criminal events by ordinary citizens.
25 June 2022, 01:10 PM
wtg
Well stated. Good point.


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