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https://www.theatlantic.com/po...-and-suckers/615997/
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| Serial origamist Has Achieved Nirvana  |
I was living in Washington DC when the Vietnam Veterans' Memorial opened. I went there three or four times. Every time, there were people in wheelchairs and people missing arms and legs visiting the Memorial... looking for the names of their buddies who weren't lucky enough to come home just missing a leg.
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Dicusting. Everyday, four years later, he says or does something else. | |||
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Minor Deity |
I think this Atlantic article will be the end of Trump. It sounds like the allegations are well sourced and are likely to be supported by further witnesses. Jf
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Jack - you have way way way too much faith. I thought when he stood on a stage and made fun of that disabled reporter, it would be the end of him. When he said he grabs women by the ***** and they like it because he's famous, I thought for sure, for SURE, that would be the end of him. This new behavior is equally appalling, but if those didn't do it, I don't know why this would. And those came out of his own mouth, captured on video. This is just hearsay. The man is like teflon. His supporters just simply refuse to see anything that doesn't fit their vision of the man. This will be just like that. They'll see the big bully mainstream fake news making up lies about heroic Donald again. | |||
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Kelly has already refused to comment. Jennifer Rubin is calling out Kelly and Mattis for cowardice. | |||
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| Has Achieved Nirvana |
President Bone Spurs goes after anyone he thinks could make him look inferior. We all know what he said about McCain. Saying these kinds of things about others in the military is totally plausible. The Believers will just write it off, even if the sources come forward. "They never liked Teh Donald anyway...."
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| Minor Deity |
Kelly is a likely source for the story. Jf
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| Serial origamist Has Achieved Nirvana |
This. Most of the people I work with are veterans. Nearly all of them support I-1 and are constantly quoting gibberish from all-hate radio to back up their views and excuse anything he does that I find repulsive. Until recently "draft dodger" was about the worst thing anyone could be in their eyes. But in their eyes, I-1 is either not a draft dodger -- he really did have bone spurs (despite all the pictures of him playing tennis with no apparent discomfort) -- or now, being a draft dodger is okay, as long as it's Dear Leader who was doing the dodging. (In one twisted explanation, God protected I-1 from the draft, because imagine the trouble the US would be in today if I-1 had gone to Vietnam and gotten killed!) I remember an interview with one I-1 supporter a couple years ago. She was asked about I-1 saying he could walk out on Fifth Avenue and shoot someone and still get elected. Her response was "well, what did that person do to provoke him? What did that person do to deserve getting himself shot?" What is two or three levels above "Cult of Personality"? Deification?
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| Serial origamist Has Achieved Nirvana |
I-1 responds: "fake news" and "I gave them more money" -- further reinforcing that to him, everything in life is transactional which is pretty much the whole story already. Whether it's I-1's presidency or anyone's military service: why would anyone serve their nation -- and die? What's in it for them? One's personal interests are the only thing. Serving a greater good is not a thing at all. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53979819
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Reaction from veteran groups. https://www.businessinsider.co...losers-report-2020-9
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What do conservative military veterans think about the statement?
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| Minor Deity |
Fox News has confirmed much of the stuff in the Atlantic story. This is a hit for Trump because it hits him with his base. Jf
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| Has Achieved Nirvana |
The Fox reporting to which Jack refers. Fox anonymous sources confirm some of the things the Atlantic's anonymous sources said. Other parts of the Atlantic reporting remain unconfirmed. https://www.foxnews.com/politi...veterans-sources-say The sources need to come forward. All of them.
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| knitterati Beatification Candidate  |
The point isn’t necessarily to turn his base. Most of it can’t be turnt. Although anecdotally (on twitter), I’m seeing a few instances. More to the point, maybe some of the undecideds can be swayed.
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