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Dogs too ... https://www.usatoday.com/story...e-longer/3907770002/ Now if they'd just let you take your dogs to the museum or opera ...
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Wow, I'm really going to get old!
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| "I've got morons on my team." Mitt Romney Minor Deity  |
Sorry to be the artistic killjoy, but we've been meme-ing that article on twitter for the past week. That's the kind of study that gives medical research a bad name. Any economics undergrad who has taken a basic class in causal inference would be shaking their head in wonder that a "good" journal published it. The study makes no attempt to identify a causal pathway. And this long and speculative paragraph doesn't get them off the hook ...
I can think of many "behaviours" that would fit the bill besides going to museums or to the opera. Give me that data and my undergrads could find tons of correlations that they could play with and make up really fun stories (even with research backing) to explain them. | |||
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I take your point, but do you care about causation? You know that doing X is correlated with good outcome Y. Does it matter whether it's because you're walking more, because your brain is more engaged, or because the paintings emit cancer-killing photons? Nah. All I care about is that, if I do X, I may have a better chance of achieving Y. (Assuming Y is a goal.) I'll let other people worry about causality. | |||
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| "I've got morons on my team." Mitt Romney Minor Deity |
If the source of the "effect" is an ingrained personality type, then forcing yourself to go to a museum doesn't change who you are, and it's who you are that is what "causes" the effect. That "study" offers absolutely NO reason to think that a person can improve their health by going to the opera when they otherwise wouldn't have. | |||
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I understand. You're arguing causality, and saying there's no evidence of causality. I'm pointing out correlation. Your answer is that, perhaps, there is a separate correlation with a desire to go to the museum or the opera, and that the desire itself is the trait that causes the outcome. And you say there's no reason to believe that attendance creates the desirable outcome. I could argue that we could make a guess about probabilities, and therefore that the notion that there's NO reason to believe might be a little aggressive, but I'll go in a different direction. Instead, I will give you the obligatory Jewish grandmother joke. "Give him chicken soup!" "Grandma, he has cancer. Chicken soup won't help." "Listen Mr. Big Shot, it couldn't hurt!" | |||
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| "I've got morons on my team." Mitt Romney Minor Deity |
Having a Jewish grandmother, I've heard that line many times before!  | |||
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