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Since this happened in my region, it's been an ongoing topic on local news. The initial fire and smoke plume was awesome. The smoke plume could be seen on weather radar for miles downwind. The decision to burn off vinyl chloride rather than risk an explosion of one or more tank cars continues to be a question of best choice. Based on the newscasts of town hall meetings, I don't think reassurances of minimal risk by anyone including the state DEP and federal EPA will be sufficient to allay the fears of some nearby residents. There is a genuine fear of taking anyone's word regarding risk from the government or anyone else. Big Al
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So - who pays for this?
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| (self-titled) semi-posting lurker Minor Deity  |
I was reading about this yesterday, I had no idea before then. It sounds like an absolute nightmare for the people who live there. And it's probably going to happen more and more as America's infrastructure continues to age without good oversight.
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Very worrying!  Since you're the most in the know please keep us posted.
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My understanding is that Obama passed a regulation requiring a certain type of upgraded braking system to be installed on all freight trains carrying hazardous materials but the Trump administration repealed the regulation at the railroad industry's request. I read that experts believe that those brakes would have prevented this derailment. So I suppose this is just one more mess that we can thank our favorite ex-president for. https://www.huffpost.com/entry...16abe4b0255caaefab8a | |||
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Buried deep within that article is the fact that this train would not have been required to have the brake system under consideration under the proposed regulation. From initial reports, it is not evident to me that any type of braking system would have avoided the wreck. I'll wait for the NTSB report to learn the lessons to be learned, but those typically take a year or more to be compiled and issued. They are ultimately the authoritative word on all sorts of transportation accidents - rail, air, roadway, pipeline, hazardous materials, etc. From what I've seen on local news reports, nothing that anyone says or does will satisfy the concerns of some people near the accident. In an accident where no one was killed or clearly injured, the comparisons to Chernobyl that I've heard seem like hyperbole to me. Big Al
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There was a segment on ABC's This Week with George Stephanopolous this morning. Two professors were interviewed about the East Palestine incident. Both of them agreed that more testing needs to be done and that it's possible that the various agencies may not be testing for all the possible chemicals that could be by-products of the vinyl chloride being burned off. At the end, Martha Raddatz asked them whether they would stay in East Palestine right now with their families and both said "no". They both think there are too many unanswered questions. I'll post the video and/or transcript as soon as they become available.
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Transcript is now available. You can do a find on one of the names to jump to the relevant section. A video auto-starts, but it is not the video for the program but some kind of other ABC News programming.
Both of these folks were very calm and professional in their assessments. No hysteria or hype.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politic...en/story?id=97313852 You need a cable provider or have to sign in with ABC to view this episode now. It becomes available a week from now for anyone to watch without signing in. https://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek
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| Pinta & the Santa Maria Has Achieved Nirvana  |
In the "never read the comments, they'll make your head explode" department, I was reading the comments following an article on the derailment a few days ago. Dumb comment of the day: the guy was blaming Biden because he passed that "huge infrastructure scam," so why wasn't this already fixed?  | |||
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Kind of OT but I just learned that East Palestine is pronounced East Palas-TEEN. This fits with other town names around here. Milan is MY-lan. Lima is LY-ma. Berlin Heights is BURR-lin Heights. And here I was just getting used to “Tree Lawn” instead of “Parkway”. 
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| knitterati Beatification Candidate  |
I just heard “East Palas-teen” on NPR, so I guess that’s right. Like the New MAD-rid seismic fault line. Around here, your tree lawn is a parking strip!
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