Lindsey's Turn

08 January 2021, 03:48 PM

wtg

At one point I had some respect for Graham. Watching him over the last four years I have lost all of that respect for him and don't trust him at all. He is not a man of integrity.

In 2016 he gave his assessment of Trump. I wouldn't have had a problem with him working with the president, a member of his own party, despite his own reservations about him, but he turned it into a masterclass in boot licking. And then just as fast, he did a 180 this week when the political winds of fortune were going to turn against him.

Guy made his bed and he'll have to lie in it.

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08 January 2021, 03:52 PM

jodi

Wow.

08 January 2021, 04:11 PM

wtg

I hadn't watched the video.

That shouldn't happen.

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08 January 2021, 04:12 PM

ShiroKuro

That twitter video:

quote:
In 2016 he gave his assessment of Trump. I wouldn't have had a problem with him working with the president, a member of his own party, despite his own reservations about him, but he turned it into a masterclass in boot licking. And then just as fast, he did a 180 this week when the political winds of fortune were going to turn against him.

Yep.

quote:
Guy made his bed and he'll have to lie in it.

Yep.

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08 January 2021, 04:14 PM

ShiroKuro

quote:
That shouldn't happen.

Yeah, it seems a little bit much... OTOH, maybe it was just yelling, and no physical threats?

On the other, other hand, it occurs to me that there probably would have been much less reaction if it was a democrat.

Interesting times we're living in...

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08 January 2021, 04:22 PM

wtg

It's not about physical threats, at least not for me.

I didn't think it was right for people to confront Sarah Huckabee Sanders in a restaurant and basically force her to leave. And I don't think Romney or Graham should be accosted in airports.

This is where I think we can do much better as a species. We need to figure out productive ways to express our opinions and not just turn interactions into ****-throwing contests.

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08 January 2021, 04:27 PM

jodi

I agree, wtg.

08 January 2021, 04:34 PM

rontuner

Consequences for actions...

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08 January 2021, 04:40 PM

ShiroKuro

quote:
We need to figure out productive ways to express our opinions and not just turn interactions into ****-throwing contests.

I agree!

And thanks for reminding me about the restaurant thing, I didn't agree with that either.

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08 January 2021, 04:41 PM

wtg

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Originally posted by rontuner:
Consequences for actions...

I respectfully disagree.

This is not sustainable in the long run.

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08 January 2021, 05:11 PM

Cindysphinx

It's safer to drive.

08 January 2021, 05:33 PM

Piano*Dad

quote:
I didn't think it was right for people to confront Sarah Huckabee Sanders in a restaurant and basically force her to leave. And I don't think Romney or Graham should be accosted in airports.

People didn't "confront Sarah Huckabee Sanders in a restaurant." The owner politely went up to her and explained the situation, and asked the party to leave. Please don't equate these two situations. They are not the same.

08 January 2021, 05:41 PM

wtg

I'm not one to quibble, though I think the underlying principle (finding productive ways to work through differences rather than just venting anger) that I'm talking about is the same.

How about this one?

edit:

Or this one.

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08 January 2021, 05:50 PM

Piano*Dad

Please don't whatabout.

You brought up the Red Hen situation. I contend it's quite different from the visceral confrontations Lindsey Graham and Mitt Romney have faced over the past couple of days. Full stop.