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Jefferson wrote this but was forced to remove it under pressure from other delegates.

I was aware of it’s existence but had never read it before today.



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A BA in poly sci and I have never seen that.


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I remember examining that as an undergraduate. My advisor was a political philosophy prof. Even as an 18 year old, I was struck by Jefferson's tortured logic. It's an exercise in blame shifting, or trying to make the philosophic best out of a very bad situation.

No southern delegate would agree to have this be part of the document, of course. It undercuts any rationale for maintaining slavery. But I'm sure just about everyone rolled eyes at the idea that blame for the existing system, and its perpetuation, could be so neatly laid at Britain's feet.
 
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Jefferson owned slaves, IIRC.

The John Bolton of his time.


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I had heard of this, but I'd never seen it, either.

I don't see how he could have written this while enslaving people and intending to keep them enslaved.

Am I missing something here? Is he really saying, "England is culpable for buying and selling human beings, but they're mine now. I believe I'll keep them."


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His purpose was not to justify slavery or shift blame for it. He was cataloging the crimes of the British crown as he saw them. In that sense surely he was accurate. (At least in the first complaint if not the second)

I read that delegations of Georgia and SC opposed it, as did some northern delegates then active in the slave trade.


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