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I doubt it. I'll defer to you on this. | |||
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That story demonstrates once again how the anonymity of the internet brings out the worst in some people. Guess we need to hang on to the good ones and ignore the rest. Patience and compassion, FTW!
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What's the difference between these people and the charming folks at the Westboro Baptist Church? Not much, really. | |||
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They hurt people from the comfort and safety of their homes. Other than that, as you say, not much.
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| Pinta & the Santa Maria Has Achieved Nirvana  |
But they're doing it on principle, to save lives. Because they know. So what if it causes harm? Collateral damage. It's infuriating to know that they are being played by larger influences even while they rail against being played by larger influences. Proud examples of the Dunning-Kruger effect. | |||
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They are worse than I thought.
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Nina, I'm still confused about this. Isn't it [still, today] the top down responsibility of the e.g. state, polity, etc.? We talk here a lot about the flu shot. But it's still optional. The vaccinations re: your local news? They should never have been de facto optional. I must be getting old. I know laws have been changed, public policy has changed, etc. But, this makes no kind of sense to me.  | |||
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Just considering what would happen if there were another genuine plague, contagious human to human. Would a vaccine against that, once available, also be left in the US to local authorities at whatever level? I'll bet if the US kept up present permissions, we'd find other countries (as usual, expectably more enightened in policies) banning travel to and from here. (Ha! There would go all the immigration wannabes - and without a wall. All it would take is a despot in the "shithole countries" mandating vaccines, to make them more desirable!)
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| Pinta & the Santa Maria Has Achieved Nirvana |
Regulations regarding most childhood vaccines, as far as I know, are de facto managed by the school districts, who can decide which vaccines they require kids to have before attending, and whether they will allow religions or other exemptions. School districts are as local as they get, so for most of the childhood vaccines, the district/local rule is what prevails. Adult vaccines are, indeed, optional--things like flu, shingles, etc. I know of nowhere that people are advocating mandatory vaccines for adults. Even in the case of (now) adults who weren't vaccinated as children, there are no mandatory vaccine regulations. Some work sites (like hospitals, day care, zoos, etc.) can and do require up-to-date vaccines, but that's a working condition and not a piece of legislation. Or maybe I don't understand your questions. | |||
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All 50 states have laws mandating childhood vaccination as a condition of attending public school. However, all states have a medical exception, and 47 have a religious exception. And 17 (iirc) have a philosophical exception. https://vaccines.procon.org/vi...hp?resourceID=003597 | |||
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The process of granting exceptions follows a certain logic. One narrow set of exceptions can be explained away as sensible and imposing little cost. But the first exception makes the next one easier to obtain. One we're in the "philosophical" territory the potential costs to those who cannot be vaccinated grows large. At what point do affected families have a case for demanding that the state (or locality) should pay the costs of a comparable education outside of the public school because the state has made choices that raise the health risks of attending a public school beyond a reasonable threshold? | |||
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My sister in law is about 55 and works for a large medical health provider. She works from home exclusively, as a medical coder. She has no role in patient care or contact with patients or other employees. She is fighting her employer because they want to force her to take a flu shot. So this nonsense goes both ways. | |||
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That doesn't sound like nonsense, it sounds like a rational business decision. Maybe they want to have a consistent policy and they don't want to argue about it with every employee who thinks the policy shouldn't apply to them. Maybe they don't want to lose days of work and have to pay sick leave. Or maybe, as a healthcare company, they just have the public interest in preventing illness and epidemics at heart. You should explain to the company how it's a personal choice, even though it affects everyone else, I'm sure you can persuade them. | |||
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