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get down on their knees and thank the men,

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Originally posted by Cindysphinx:
I think all the talk of racism and extremism in this episode is beside the point. We will never know what is in his heart, so why decide on that basis. We can and should be objective.

The man made a mistake on the job at an important event. I think we can all agree that a reasonable person in his position would have known better. This is not akin to a mistake where reasonable minds can differ or where people are being asked to change longstanding language choices (e.g. using “they” to mean one person. He has offered no explanation for deciding to mock Asian people.

He’s not the right person for that job. Some of us have or have had high-visibility jobs. People trusted with such positions don’t get a lot of chances.

Cindy — recalling the head of a major tennis tournament was dismissed for saying ladies tennis was riding on the coattails of the men and the women should get down on their knees and thank the men, and it didn’t much matter whether he was sexist in his heart

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The man made a mistake on the job at an important event. I think we can all agree that a reasonable person in his position would have known better.

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Originally posted by Cindysphinx:
The man made a mistake on the job at an important event. I think we can all agree that a reasonable person in his position would have known better.

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Originally posted by ShiroKuro:
Anyway, I don't know, I care a lot less about random celebrities on tv than I do about educational leaders.

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Originally posted by Mikhailoh:
So what do you think of this?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/n...4a1987a11c749ff1f1b6

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Originally posted by Steve Miller:

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Originally posted by ShiroKuro:
Anyway, I don't know, I care a lot less about random celebrities on tv than I do about educational leaders.

What does a chancellor actually do? I thought they did mostly find raising.

Is a chancellor an educational leader?

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Originally posted by Nina:

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Originally posted by Steve Miller:

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Originally posted by ShiroKuro:
Anyway, I don't know, I care a lot less about random celebrities on tv than I do about educational leaders.

What does a chancellor actually do? I thought they did mostly find raising.

Is a chancellor an educational leader?

A chancellor is equivalent to the president of a university or a system (like the U Cal university system). Why not use president? I'm guessing the title "chancellor" just sounds more hoity-toity.

So yes, you're right - it's essentially fund raising.

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Originally posted by big al:

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Originally posted by Cindysphinx:
The man made a mistake on the job at an important event. I think we can all agree that a reasonable person in his position would have known better.

I disagree with this and think that intent, however difficult to perceive, still has a role to play in judgments like this. The rules have changed and continue to change and what is or is not acceptable differs in different communities. I'd offer as an example some hand gestures that are innocuous or positive in our society but highly offensive in other parts of the world.

I take myself as an example. When I was in high school 60 years ago, I participated in blackface minstrel shows with no ill intent. They were fundraisers for our sports boosters organization. Knowing what I know now, I certainly would not do so again.

I used to have a repertoire of jokes that I employed for entertainment in social situations. Among them were some Irish, Italian, and Polish jokes, those being identifiable ethnic groups in this region. When I was in Minnesota back in 1972-73, I found I could repurpose some of my Polish jokes as Finnlander jokes to good effect. However, I no longer tell any of those jokes because I do not want to give offense.

A couple of years ago, I participated in several anti-racism sessions where varieties of overt and covert racism were discussed. I could clearly understand the overt items but still do not see why some of the examples of covert racism were included. It left me with the notion that anything at all could give offense to someone. I think the reaction of some segments of woke culture to anything that differs from their dogma falls in this category.

All this has a chilling effect on legitimate discussion and disagreement, leaving the field devoid of moderate voices open to compromise and solely occupied by extremists of whatever sort. If I am wrong, I would prefer to be informed why I am in error, rather than pilloried for something I said without ill intent.

Big Al

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Originally posted by jodi:

Sometimes it depends on if there is a state system, and the head of the system can be called chancellor, then the university heads are presidents (or vice versa). Or for example, Montana tech is managed in part by the university of Montana (or was historically part of it) and the head of UM is a president, the head of Tech is a chancellor, the head of the whole system is the commissioner - so the different titles are how you differentiate the hierarchy. Maine had a university system that controlled the state schools - the head of it is the chancellor, the university heads are presidents.

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Originally posted by Cindysphinx:
...if you showed up tomorrow at a work event in blackface, surely you’d agree you should be fired, regardless of what was in your heart?