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Has Achieved Nirvana |
So there have been seven cases of notable allergic reactions to the Pfizer vaccine that have made the news. Three were in Alaska, two in Juneau and one in Fairbanks. There may be others, but I haven't heard of them. What got my attention were the other four cases, all of which occurred in Illinois. In fact, they all happened in a single hospital on a single day. There were lots of hospitals giving the vaccine at the same time. Does that seem a bit improbable, statistically speaking? The hospital temporarily paused the program but resumed it after conferring with the CDC.  edit: Local coverage.... https://abc7chicago.com/covid-...on-allergic/8892188/
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| (self-titled) semi-posting lurker Minor Deity  |
I would like to know what they mean by a "mild" allergic reaction (this term was used in the article you linked in your edit). I think that there should be very explicit reporting... Was it a very dangerous and scary anaphylactic shock situation where the absence of immediate medical intervention would have led to death? (IIRC, I believe that is the case in at least of few of these cases which have made the news, maybe in the UK as well?) And for the mild reactions, what were the details of the reactions (symptoms) and what treatment was administered? Neither me nor my spouse has ever had a scary reaction to a vaccine, but at the very least, we will confirm that they have epi-pens and what ever else is needed on hand before we get the vaccine, and definitely stay there for however long is recommended (30 minutes?) Ugh. I really hope that as more vaccines are administered, the number of reactions goes down. And I hope that this doesn't become a reason for a huge number of people to say "no thanks" to getting it at all!
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| Has Achieved Nirvana |
Three had tingling and rapid heartbeat. The fourth was more severe and required a couple of treatments of epinephrine and was hospitalized overnight
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Has Achieved Nirvana |
1.1 million vaccinations and 7 reactions, one serious. I’ll take those odds against the odds of my getting Covid any day.
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| (self-titled) semi-posting lurker Minor Deity |
Me too, Steve!
So, IOW they didn't require any treatment and the reaction resolved on its own? That is *very* mild. I was thinking more like rashes or hives, something that require benadryl etc.
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| Has Achieved Nirvana |
It’s worth noting that people who have reactions are mostly people who have reactions to many things and likely carry an epi pen routinely.
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| Has Achieved Nirvana |
Seems like there may be some confusion here. For the record, I am not recommending that anyone avoid the vaccine. Sorry if I gave that impression.
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| Has Achieved Nirvana |
Of course not, and I agree that the adverse reactions come only from two states is puzzling.
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Minor Deity |
Epi pen is one sign not to have the vaccine, so I have read. But then they qualified that. Phew... I have one just in case of a bee sting.
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| Pinta & the Santa Maria Has Achieved Nirvana  |
My kid has had allergies in the past, and as a result he took allergy shots for about a year. It was protocol that we had to wait in the doc's office for, um, 20 minutes after each shot to confirm that he wasn't going to have a significant reaction. (he didn't) I'm guessing that will be protocol for "civilian" vaccines, but even if it isn't it's something we can all do. On the other hand, I did see a photo of a drive-thru vaccine setup, which may have been some sort of stock photo of something else. I guess my point is that allergic reactions are very uncommon but not unheard of. And to other's points, if you routinely carry an epi-pen, you're likely to be aware that you are prone to reactions, and what your triggers are. | |||
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| (self-titled) semi-posting lurker Minor Deity |
You did not give me that impression. More just a general recognition that some people will glom on to this info (vaccination reactions) as a reason (or excuse) not get vaccinated.
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| Does This Avatar Make My Butt Look Big? Minor Deity  |
See, there is a lot of value in waiting. The takeaway for me is to make sure I get the shot in a facility that has proper precautions in place in case I have a reaction. That's a medical facility, not Walgreens. I sympathize with people who feel like they need to get a vaccine because they cannot limit their contact with people outside their households. Those of us who can avoid exposure by social distancing and masks would be wise to do that until all of the side-effects are known and addressed. I mean, right now, we're only talking about side effects known within 30 minutes of the vaccine. Who knows what the long-term effects are? I need more information than what is currently available. | |||
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| Pinta & the Santa Maria Has Achieved Nirvana |
As with everything, there is a personal ROI calculation you need to make. This one gets more complicated, in my opinion, because the virus is active and everywhere. To me, that swings the needle pretty far over to "take the vax." There have always been two reasons to vaccinate: 1) the personal protection; 2) herd immunity. Both are front and center today with covid. There is always a risk, but immediate side effects seem to be limited. Longer term are obviously not yet known, but the same could be said for polio, smallpox, etc. At some point you need to accept the risk, even as we accept the risk that we might die in a car accident whenever we get into the car, we might be struck by lightning, etc. We will need to continue to social distance and use masks for months afterward, regardless, because the virus won't be eradicated until we've achieved herd immunity to a significant degree, all of which takes time. | |||
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| Has Achieved Nirvana |
https://abc7.com/covid-19-pand...ide-effects/9012113/
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Has Achieved Nirvana |
A doctor in Boston had a severe allergic reaction to the Moderna vaccine. He had to give himself an epi pen shot. | |||
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