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Wow. Tough call.

We've seen some of the protestors who are defying the requirement to wear masks. How do you turn airline personnel into enforcement officers if a passenger refuses to comply?

Is there any practical way to provide recourse to the people who might feel they are putting their health at risk by being on a plane with unmasked passengers? Like no penalty for changing flights if an unmasked passenger is on board?

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It is a tough call. Absent a federal rule they're between a rock and a hard place.

As a passenger, if I were seated next to someone who refused to comply, I would demand (lets say it this way ... DEMAND) to be moved to any open seat away from the non-complier. ANY open seat, and I would not accept, "but that costs extra" as a reason not to grant my exception. Think they would call my behavior a Level 1 alert?
 
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I don't see what the problem is in making it a federal requirement. Hell, you have to let them grope you now, so a mask is a big deal?

Of course I won't be flying for quite some time anyway.


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It is a tough call. Absent a federal rule they're between a rock and a hard place.
+1

Without such a federal rule, the general public's confidence to fly is further eroded.


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It may not be up to the FAA:
https://reason.org/commentary/...ngers-to-wear-masks/

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... the balance of evidence suggests the FAA does not possess the clear power to issue and enforce a mask rule. ...

... while the FAA lacks the clear statutory authority to impose a passenger masking mandate, the Department of Transportation’s Office of the Secretary of Transportation may have such power. Specifically, Section 41702 of Title 49 of the U.S. Code requires that “[a]n air carrier shall provide safe and adequate interstate air transportation.” This seemingly nebulous authority was narrowed by a series of court cases when the Civil Aeronautics Board was the entity wielding it, but if DOT’s Office of the Secretary could present more-than-theoretical evidence that a mask mandate would materially enhance passenger and crew safety, it would likely get the green light from the judiciary. Indeed, if such a finding was made, the regulation could be brought immediately into force without the usual notice-and-comment procedural protections and niceties of the Administrative Procedure Act under the APA’s “good cause” exception. ...


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Wow. Tough call.

We've seen some of the protestors who are defying the requirement to wear masks. How do you turn airline personnel into enforcement officers if a passenger refuses to comply?

Is there any practical way to provide recourse to the people who might feel they are putting their health at risk by being on a plane with unmasked passengers? Like no penalty for changing flights if an unmasked passenger is on board?

Gawd.


They enforce no smoking. They enforce seat belts. A friendly reminder that refusal to comply with a flight attendant’s instruction is a federal crime usually suffices. If not, the marshals can escort you when you deplane.
 
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And what about the airlines' public commitment to leave middle seats vacant? Wasn't/isn't that a "thing"?

And if so, what are their obligations to follow through on their own plan to protect their passengers?


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Originally posted by wtg:
Wow. Tough call.

We've seen some of the protestors who are defying the requirement to wear masks. How do you turn airline personnel into enforcement officers if a passenger refuses to comply?

Is there any practical way to provide recourse to the people who might feel they are putting their health at risk by being on a plane with unmasked passengers? Like no penalty for changing flights if an unmasked passenger is on board?

Gawd.


They enforce no smoking. They enforce seat belts. A friendly reminder that refusal to comply with a flight attendant’s instruction is a federal crime usually suffices. If not, the marshals can escort you when you deplane.
Yep. They can kick you off the plane pretty much at their discretion. You can’t be an asshole on a plane. Not wearing a mask qualifies IMO.


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If you're a SARS-CoV-2 carrier, without mask, you would have spread a lot of SARS-CoV-2 by the time you deplane, escorted by marshals or not.


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If you're a SARS-CoV-2 carrier, without mask, you would have spread a lot of SARS-CoV-2 by the time you deplane, escorted by marshals or not.


There are lots of things you COULD do. The question is whether it’s worth being charged with a federal crime for doing them.
 
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If you're a SARS-CoV-2 carrier, without mask, you would have spread a lot of SARS-CoV-2 by the time you deplane, escorted by marshals or not.


An article in the NYT said one person with SARS-CoV-2 sneezing could spread it around an entire cabin. Thinking back to the days when smoking cigarettes was allowed on planes, I believe it.

Also, I agree with Quiet. Make a rule and enforce it. It's not rocket science.
 
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