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(self-titled) semi-posting lurker Minor Deity |
Well, yes, but I meant specifically that the article WTG linked didn't say what vaxxes they studied/used for shot 4 in Israel, and I haven't been tracking. Are they using Pfizer and/or Moderna?
I always do, religiously.
We have not socialized with others (indoors or out actually) since March 2020.... have not eaten in a restaurant (or outdoor patio) since then either. No flights. No traveling. Grocery stores and classrooms, and that's it. And always masked. But as you know, I teach... indoors, in person (I don't have a choice about that). It's how we eat, how we keep the lights on.
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Israel is Pfizer. They've sort of been "all Pfizer, all the time" since the beginning and have led the way with getting people vaccinated and doing all kinds of studies. Sheba Medical Center in particular has been in the forefront on this. The study confirms what a lot of us have been seeing firsthand with breakthrough cases happening to friends and family who are double vaxxed and boosted. The current vaccine simply isn't a good match for omicron, at least as far as infection is concerned. Antibodies get boosted well but they can't defend against this variant. Good news is that the vaccine does still seems to do a good, actually excellent, job of keeping people out of hospitals and alive. Until there's an omicron-specific vaccine, the additional measures that pique outlined are the best bet. Not everyone can implement all the strategies, but you do the best you can. edited to add link to DW article on the study. Has some discussion about Moderna: https://www.dw.com/en/coronavi...udy-shows/a-60454680
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(self-titled) semi-posting lurker Minor Deity |
Is that basically the same for Moderna as well? (Both Mr SK and I are Moderna x 3)
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Yup. Turns out the Israeli study looked at Moderna too. From the DW link I added above:
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czarina Has Achieved Nirvana |
I am talking to positive cases every night that had three jabs and wear a mask. Some were sick enough to goto the emergency room because they couldn't breathe. Based on these conversations I think we need a different or improved vax for omicron. I realize this is just local knowledge and not a rigorous study, but I'm going to take it at face value and not put myself in situations where I could be exposed.
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Serial origamist Has Achieved Nirvana |
Is there any substance to the suggestion that by the time the pharma companies get an omicron-specific vax out, omicron will have mostly blown itself out?
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How long does the booster last? https://www.npr.org/sections/g...ter-omicron-efficacy
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Pinta & the Santa Maria Has Achieved Nirvana |
That makes total sense to me. Minimizing exposure now is just a good idea. What I don't understand are people who look at these results and say, "seee! the vaccine doesn't work, so I'm not going to get it and just go back to living my life." The corollary: I know someone who used a seat belt and STILL died in a car crash, therefore seat belts don't work and I'm not wearing one any more." | |||
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Does This Avatar Make My Butt Look Big? Minor Deity |
How does anyone know when they are supposed to do what? Take me. I had two Moderna shots in spring 2021. I had a breakthrough infection (of what, who knows) in October 2021, so I have some level of natural immunity (for how long, who knows). I want to go visit my dad this spring, maybe in March, but maybe later if his memory care facility remains locked down. And I want to go to the Australian Open January 2023. Am I supposed to boost now? If so, my chances of infecting my dad by the time I go in March won't be as high as if I wait until 2 weeks before the trip. If I boost now and I have to postpone the trip a month, I will be an even greater risk to him. Am I supposed to also boost before my trip in Jan. 2023? And golly, I sure shouldn't go from Feb/March 2022 to Jan. 2023 without 1-2 boosters, right? This just does not seem sustainable. | |||
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You had your breakthrough case in October. Guess I'd treat that as your booster. Seems like boosting with another dose of vaccine a few weeks before you visit your Dad in March could be a good idea and the timing is about right. You could have your antibodies tested like I did to get some idea of the level of protection you have before you boost. I'd also be taking into consideration where he is in the vaccine/booster cycle. If he's way out from his last booster, you might want to consider your timing.
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And here's more info. Just to confuse things. https://www.theguardian.com/wo...virus-multiple-times Info on immune response: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8402626/ edit: Study released today. https://www.nbcnews.com/health...ss-omicron-rcna13038
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https://www.wfla.com/community...ant-cdc-study-finds/
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