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Bloomberg’s tweet this morning: @realdonaldtrump - we know many of the same people in NY. Behind your back they laugh at you & call you a carnival barking clown. They know you inherited a fortune & squandered it with stupid deals and incompetence. I have the record & the resources to defeat you. And I will.
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Maybe he's trying to give Trump a stroke. It's not the worst idea in the world. | |||
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Pinta & the Santa Maria Has Achieved Nirvana |
Am I the only one who's kind of enjoying the fact that we have a pit bull in the fight now? | |||
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What’s great about it is it’s true, and Trump knows it. I mean, the first paragraph anyway. It’s actually why Trump is president. He is held in contempt by elites and he resents them for it. It’s the same resentment/contempt dynamic felt by much of the country. But Trump is sort of Resenter in Chief. Of course it’s not just the resentment, it’s the defiant attitude towards it and the refusal to back down in its face. But the resentment is at the base of it all. Right, Horace?
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Yes, of course it's true that he's held in contempt by elites. It is one's own choice - moral, intellectual, or otherwise - how to interpret that disdain. Whether it says more about Trump, or the elites. I made my choice of how to interpret it as soon as I realized Trump was serious about running for President. It wasn't a difficult choice for me. As far as why he's president, there is a policy aspect of it which does not play well rhetorically on the left, but which is very important. But when left leaning folk need to come to terms with the fact that Trump is president, they will gravitate towards whatever human failings they can convince themselves put him there. | |||
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You're wrong. What's worse, you're rationalizing your support for a disgusting, evil human being. I don't recall anyone talking about human failings resulting in either George Bush being elected President. I don't recall anyone saying that McCain or Romney, or any of the people who voted for them, were damaged human beings. Go back to childhood. "One of these things is not like the others ..." | |||
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I believe you believe that. And the clear implication of another thing you believe is that anybody who supports this disgusting, evil man is themselves some combination of ignorant or evil. You are free to entrench yourself there on that peak of righteousness, and believe that you're part of the solution to our social problems. And I'm free to believe that your attitude is part of the problem.
Yes, those of us following along have noticed that the righteous hatred of Trump has been taken up a notch as compared to the reaction against previous GOP presidents. But just because you're feeling feelings, doesn't mean everybody else has to take them as seriously as you do. | |||
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You suggested, without saying so explicitly, that people on the left have a tendency to "gravitate toward whatever human failings they can convince themselves put him there." That suggestion was wrong, and demonstrably wrong. More generally, either I'm right that Trump is a disgusting, evil human being, or I'm wrong. But, if I'm right, that doesn't mean that people who support him are either evil or ignorant ... necessarily. Alternatively, they could be insane, or they could be imperceptive, or they could be biased, or they could not pay attention, or they could simply decide that lower taxes make it OK to support someone who they know is evil and disgusting. Those are just a few possibilities, I'm sure there are others. | |||
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Thanks for the clarification Quirt. I agree with you that “ignorant” and “evil” are not an exhaustive list of the words you might use to express your righteous hatred of Trump and his supporters. | |||
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Again, hatred is your word. You seem to feel the need to characterize my position with words I have never used. I have in fact at times said that I can understand the perspective of people who say the following: "I know Trump is an evil, disgusting human being. However, he's the Republican nominee, I am fully in support of tax cuts and conservative judges, and I'm really scared of what a radical left-wing candidate might do. So I'll hold my nose and vote for him, even though I'd rather have a Republican candidate who wasn't an evil, disgusting human being. But I don't get to make that choice." I think that's misguided and shows a lack of perspective about the importance of ethics and behavior, but I can understand the perspective. I hope that clarification helps you to avoid misrepresenting my views. | |||
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You’ve invented a theoretical Trump voter who agrees with your baseline righteous opinion of Trump but who weighs other things differently, and claim not to hate them. I’ll accept that. But it doesn’t absolve you of your feelings for the Trump supporters who don’t happen to fit that mold. Since I don’t really believe it’s within normal human parameters to vote for a politician you think is evil, I guess very few Trump supporters fit your mold and we’re back to trying to come to terms with your real feelings towards real Trump supporters. Hillary was a centrist known quantity. It would seem very strange for a person to vote for an evil man rather than her just because of policy. | |||
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They’re not theoretical. I’ve talked to examples. | |||
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/13...rump-2020/index.html Bloomberg will be doing his damndest to keep I-1 off-balance. And I'm sure that's true whether Mike is the nominee or not. And it's all his own money, no one else's. That has a certain appeal.
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Pinta & the Santa Maria Has Achieved Nirvana |
Who are these "elites" that hold him in contempt? Surely those who hold Trump in contempt aren't limited to "elites." That shtick is getting old. And of course, I assume that you're most definitely not an "elite," else why would you hold them in contempt? | |||
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