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Has Achieved Nirvana |
Here's an NPR article that summarizes the results of the poll Mary Anna posted about: https://www.npr.org/sections/c...-americans-poll-find /aside
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Has Achieved Nirvana |
That would be great if it were up in the 70s now. Kaiser had it at 49% in Feb and Pew had it at 61% just the other day. Nina - I didn’t rule out other causes, I questioned Cindy ruling out hesitancy as a factor.
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| Has Achieved Nirvana |
It’s interesting that trust in the vaccine tanked among every group last September when it became clear that Trump was trying to cram it through before the election. Even among Trump supporters it sunk. Though not as much as among Democrats.
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| Does This Avatar Make My Butt Look Big? Minor Deity  |
I find it odd that people have as their default that if blacks aren't getting something, it is because they dont want it. The first explanation offered here for blacks getting vaccinated at lower rates they dont want it. When polling casts doubt on this assumption, the reply is to say the poll is bad, without offering a better poll. Meanwhile, the more obvious, systemic reasons why people of less privilege might get vaccinated less are ignored. Things that make ya go Hmmmmm. | |||
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| Has Achieved Nirvana |
I never said any polls were bad. Seems like they’re improving still. But the fact that the willingness polled under 50% as recently as 5 weeks ago surely affected relative take up.
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And what do you mean ‘default’? I told you I *read* about the discrepancy in acceptance. You know how many articles like this have been printed in the past three months? https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/04...id-survey/index.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/1...inations-health.html Usually they have ‘Tuskegee’ in the first paragraph, if not the headline.
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| Has Achieved Nirvana |
This is a perfect example of a point I’ve made before, that discussions of social problems tend to be poorly disguised arguments about blame.
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| Has Achieved Nirvana |
By the way, if I had a ‘default’ interpretation of the equity concerns when I first started hearing them expressed back in Dec/Jan it would have been that they’re probably using the wrong denominator. Of course that turned out to be true, though only a partial explanation. (And an explanation that will diminish over time as more groups are eligible).
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| Does This Avatar Make My Butt Look Big? Minor Deity |
I'm confused. Are you saying there is no issue of vaccine inequity based on race, or are you saying it's not a concern because those black people don't want to be vaccinated anyway? | |||
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| Has Achieved Nirvana |
Neither. Just because the wrong denominator is used doesn’t mean no effect would be apparent with the correct denominator. I brought that up because you implied I had some sinister prior as a ‘default’ going into this. But if I had any prior at all, it was the cynical one that we tend to mis-measure these things, almost always in a way that exaggerates the effect. Regarding your second question, even if the willingness gap persists, it would still be a concern. And an actionable one, at least to an extent. But it may point to different remedies than if the discrepancy is driven by other causes.
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| Pinta & the Santa Maria Has Achieved Nirvana  |
Makes sense to me as a plausible interpretation of that September plunge. The ethnic disparity seems to be somewhat ephemerous. A recently released poll commissioned by NPR showed virtually no difference essentially no difference between black and white people polled Latinos are less inclined, and Asians apparently refused to participate...  The biggest gulf still appears to be politically driven. | |||
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I'd never heard the word "ephemerous" before. Someone who writes for Wikidiff apparently has a sense of humor. https://wikidiff.com/ephemerou...archaic)%20ephemeral. | |||
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| Pinta & the Santa Maria Has Achieved Nirvana |
Also I realized that Mary Anna posted a link to that poll at the top of THIS VERY PAGE. Oopsie.  Re: the definition of ephemerous - clearly the guy isn't a programmer. | |||
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Has Achieved Nirvana |
Cindy, I think your profession is right up there with other essential professions, certainly higher than grocery clerk. I can bag my own veg but I can’t fight my own civil rights battles. You deserve to go to the front of the line.
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Beatification Candidate |
I see this debate as a question of the lifeboats on the Titanic. If a lifeboat is in front of you with seats waiting to be taken, then I think it behooves you to take that seat. There may be others, perhaps more deserving, somewhere else on the ship who would like to take that seat, but unless there is a clear path forward for them ahead of you, you should not let that seat go empty. With the now rapidly increasing roll-out of vaccines, further ahead versus further behind in the line becomes less critical. Failure to get vaccinated becomes more important if we are to protect the public at large through herd immunity or something like it. I don't encourage a surge to the head of the line, but I don't think it is likely to be in the interests of everyone to take a step back out of line. Big Al
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