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And is ramping up to produce some 15,000 of them.

He already has orders for 10,000 units


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Hot diggity!

Will be interesting to see how quickly they can get into production.


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So, the ventilator makers keep insisting that their devices are very specialized and have complex circuits and software. Okay, great, but sometimes when you want a scalpel, all you have is a butterknife. Can't someone throw together an analog version with two or three knobs to regulate pressure, oxygen content, and breathing rate? Seems to be it could be done with parts from a welding cart and a dishwasher.

I hope Dyson will share their plans with anyone who wants to make them. I'm guessing an outfit like the New-Fangled Flying Machine Co. could ramp up production quickly. And they must have some cleanroom facilities somewhere around here.


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He's talking about at least some of them being available by early April. ThumbsUp


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So, the ventilator makers keep insisting that their devices are very specialized and have complex circuits and software. Okay, great, but sometimes when you want a scalpel, all you have is a butterknife. Can't someone throw together an analog version with two or three knobs to regulate pressure, oxygen content, and breathing rate? Seems to be it could be done with parts from a welding cart and a dishwasher.

I hope Dyson will share their plans with anyone who wants to make them. I'm guessing an outfit like the New-Fangled Flying Machine Co. could ramp up production quickly. And they must have some cleanroom facilities somewhere around here.


And there might be reduced demand for flying machines right now. I'm just saying.
 
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Yeah but if they are anything like his vacuums, they will all be out for repair in a month.

My local vacuum repair guy stays in business just repairing Dysons...

I might want to wait and see a bit of testing first..just sayin'


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His old vacuums are workhorses. The newer ones, not so much.


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And our local billionaires are...

What are they doing exactly?


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They are using one vent for 2 people.
They are remaking other machines
And even testing large animal vents

That's how desperate they are.


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We need better billionaires.

Our billionaires suck.


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Sorry to be the party pooper (being german, can´t help it) - but the idea to put barely surviving intensive care patients lifes on more or less untested "miracle"-ventilators gives me the creeps. If it´s just a publicity stunt - well, OK.
Now that Mr. "herd-immunity" Johnson might need one himself, lets see if he is still so keen on having one of these things stuck to his lungs - or prefer an older, tested machine.....
 
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If you are friends with Grotiman on FB you know that he once led a ventilator company and that he is a medical engineer and inventor. He says these machines must go through a very stringent FDA testing protocol, and even then they sometimes kill people. And that there is a concurrent need for oxygen, which is also in short supply. So not too sure we should be heralding Dyson just yet.


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While I agree this isn't necessarily the be-all end-all, I've heard recent calls for innovation and not accepting limitations and that "we can't do it" shouldn't be our mantra.


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Joint Statement on Multiple Patients Per Ventilator

March 26, 2020: The Society of Critical Care Medicine (SCCM), American Association for Respiratory Care (AARC), American Society of Anesthesiologists (ASA), Anesthesia Patient Safety Foundation (APSF), American Association of Critical‐Care Nurses (AACN), and American College of Chest Physicians (CHEST) issue this consensus statement on the concept of placing multiple patients on a single mechanical ventilator.

The above‐named organizations advise clinicians that sharing mechanical ventilators should not be attempted because it cannot be done safely with current equipment. The physiology of patients with COVID‐19‐onset acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) is complex. Even in ideal circumstances, ventilating a single patient with ARDS and nonhomogenous lung disease is difficult and is associated with a 40%‐60% mortality rate. Attempting to ventilate multiple patients with COVID‐19, given the issues described here, could lead to poor outcomes and high mortality rates for all patients cohorted. In accordance with the exceedingly difficult, but not uncommon, triage decisions often made in medical crises, it is better to purpose the ventilator to the patient most likely to benefit than fail to prevent, or even cause, the demise of multiple patients.
Background: The interest in ventilating multiple patients on one ventilator has been piqued by those who would like to expand access to mechanical ventilators during the COVID‐19 pandemic. The first modern descriptions of multiple patients per ventilator were advanced by Neyman et al in 20061 and Paladino et al in 2013.2 However, in each instance, Branson, Rubinson, and others have cautioned against the use of this technique.3‐5 With current equipment designed for a single patient, we recommend that clinicians do not attempt to ventilate more than one patient with a single ventilator while any clinically proven, safe, and reliable therapy remains available (i.e., in a dire, temporary emergency).

Attempting to ventilate multiple patients would likely require arranging the patients in a spokelike fashion around the ventilator as a central hub. This positioning moves the patients away from the supplies of oxygen, air, and vacuum at the head of the bed. It also places the patients in proximity to each other, allowing for transfer of organisms. Spacing the patients farther apart would likely result in hypercarbia.

Spontaneous breathing by a single patient sensed by the ventilator would set the respiratory frequency for all the other patients. The added circuit volume could preclude triggering. Patients may also share gas between circuits in the absence of one‐way valves. Pendelluft between patients is possible, resulting in both cross‐infection and over‐distension. Setting alarms can monitor only the total response of the patients’ respiratory systems as a whole. This would hide changes occurring in only one patient. The reasons for avoiding ventilating multiple patients with a single ventilator are numerous.

These reasons include:
    Volumes would go to the most compliant lung segments.
    Positive end‐expiratory pressure, which is of critical importance in these patients, would be impossible to manage.
    Monitoring patients and measuring pulmonary mechanics would be challenging, if not impossible.
    Alarm monitoring and management would not be feasible.
    Individualized management for clinical improvement or deterioration would be impossible.
    In the case of a cardiac arrest, ventilation to all patients would need to be stopped to allow the change to bag ventilation without aerosolizing the virus and exposing healthcare workers. This circumstance also would alter breath delivery dynamics to the other patients.
    The added circuit volume defeats the operational self‐test (the test fails). The clinician would be required to operate the ventilator without a successful test, adding to errors in the measurement.
    Additional external monitoring would be required. The ventilator monitors the average pressures and volumes.
    Even if all patients connected to a single ventilator have the same clinical features at initiation, they could deteriorate and recover at different rates, and distribution of gas to each patient would be unequal and unmonitored. The sickest patient would get the smallest tidal volume and the improving patient would get the largest tidal volume.
    The greatest risks occur with sudden deterioration of a single patient (e.g., pneumothorax, kinked endotracheal tube), with the balance of ventilation distributed to the other patients.
    Finally, there are ethical issues. If the ventilator can be lifesaving for a single individual, using it on more than one patient at a time risks life‐threatening treatment failure for all of them.


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