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Roger Stone, a longtime Republican strategist and sometime confidant of President Donald Trump, was arrested in Florida on Friday after being indicted in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s probe into possible coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia before the 2016 U.S. election.

Stone, 66, is facing seven counts: one count of obstruction of an official proceeding, five counts of false statements, and one count of witness tampering, according to the U.S. Justice Department.

The indictment goes to the heart of Mueller’s investigation and could pose serious risk to Trump. It lays out how Stone, after leaving his campaign in 2015, continued communicating regularly with unnamed senior campaign officials in the summer of 2016 about an organization matching the description of WikiLeaks -- and how a “senior Trump campaign official was directed to contact Stone.”

That’s when Wikileaks was publishing Democrats’ emails that Mueller has previously alleged were obtained by Russian government hackers in an effort to interfere with the presidential election.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news...pecial-counsel-probe


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Roger Stone is only 66?

This explains a lot.
 
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I read a summary of the allegations and timeline, in WaPo, I think.

There is serious cause for concern in the Trump camp. It sounds like they knew about the hacks into Podesta's email and the DNC, and they coordinated on what and when to release it.

You know, I always wondered how Trump knew to taunt Hillary about her health. Now it makes sense. If the Trump campaign had access to Podesta's email, surely there would be emails about Hillary's health or emails expressing concern about her health (like "Hillary's not feeling up to a trip to Wisconsin" and such).

Mueller is tightening the noose. . . .
 
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He wasn't just arrested, they gave him the full perp walk treatment. Mueller isn't playing around.
 
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Quirt mentioned that it is unusual to arrest a white collar criminal in a raid rather than let them surrender. Here’s an explanation of why Stone got the El Chapo treatment:

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Stone was also charged with witness tampering, a crime that strikes at the heart of the judicial process. There are numerous allegations in the indictment of Stone urging others to lie. Those urgings clearly run afoul of the witness tampering statute. And, if that’s all there was to it, a summons might be the way to go.

But there is a more compelling reason to arrest him. The devil is in the details. Read, for instance, page 20 of the indictment, where prosecutors note that Stone emailed one witness and called him a “rat” and a “stoolie” and threatened to take that witness’s dog away from him. In another email that same day to that same witness, according to the indictment, Stone wrote “I am so ready. Let’s get it on. Prepare to die [expletive].”

Law enforcement simply does not hand a summons to someone who threatens to kill a witness and trust that person to act responsibly with it. No conscientious prosecutor would think a summons appropriate there, or think that a threat to kill a witness is simply what targets of grand jury investigations routinely do.

The witness tampering alleged here is more than just someone asking another, “pretty please,” to lie. Rather, it includes a death threat against a witness: “Prepare to die [expletive].”

Was Stone kidding? Maybe. Was it hyperbole? Perhaps. He can explain that after his arrest.

Arresting Stone was lawful, appropriate and fully justified by his own words and conduct.
 
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When did Mueller's team know about those "prepare to die" emails? If the answer is, "months ago," then that weakens the objective case for the pre-dawn raid, and strengthens the notion that it was for "shock and awe."
 
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Even if Mueller's team knew about the emails earlier, they still need an indictment in order to arrest.

Witness tampering is a huge big deal. I remember we had a witness tampering case when I was a federal district court clerk in the 1980s. I had just started working there, and the defendant had been arrested for domestic violence. He then went after his girlfriend, telling her that if she testified he would break her arms. My judge gave him 20 years, IIRC.

I suspect that Mueller's team kept Stone (and the witness) under pretty close surveillance once they knew of the threats. But once they had the indictment, there was no reason to expose the witness to further risk. And if they deviated from protocol by letting *this* white collar criminal turn himself in and something happened, they would be in for a lot of second-guessing.
 
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Oh, and I'll mention that these arrest warrant teams and SWAT teams have very precise protocols.

The reason they wore flak jackets is not because they thought Stone was armed and dangerous or for shock/awe. The reason they wore flak jackets is that when you execute a warrant, you wear a flak jacket as part of your uniform.
 
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Oh, and something is wrong in Roger Stone's head.

There he was on CNN talking about the case, something any competent defense attorney would have begged him not to do.

*AND* he actually memorialized his threats in texts. God only knows what else he said/did that is not included in the indictment.
 
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When did Mueller's team know about those "prepare to die" emails? If the answer is, "months ago," then that weakens the objective case for the pre-dawn raid, and strengthens the notion that it was for "shock and awe."


I don't think it has to be one or the other. It was very likely both ... with more than a dash of "you talk real big for a guy in handcuffs in his bathrobe" thrown in for good measure.
 
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And before the sun set the same day, he's out on a quarter million bail.

Perhaps he will attempt further witness tampering and get a permanent room at the Clink Inn, just like his buddy and former business partner Manafort.

His movements are limited to Florida, New York, and the DC area. I hope they confiscated his passport(s). If ever there was a flight risk, I'd say Stone is the guy.

I had a driveway moment listening to NPR's coverage of what a shady sleazeball Stone is. And he has a tattoo of Richard Nixon on his back. That alone should get someone 20 years in the pokey.


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Lends support to the idea that Mueller was more interested in acquiring his devices than he was in keeping the man's ass in jail
 
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Oh, and something is wrong in Roger Stone's head.

There he was on CNN talking about the case, something any competent defense attorney would have begged him not to do.

*AND* he actually memorialized his threats in texts. God only knows what else he said/did that is not included in the indictment.


I was wondering why he was running his mouth! Didn’t seem prudent.


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