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Anyone listen to oral arguments yesterday?

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02 December 2021, 03:46 AM
jon-nyc
Anyone listen to oral arguments yesterday?
On the Mississippi abortion law?

I heard most of them, NPR carried them live.


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02 December 2021, 08:21 AM
QuirtEvans
I read about them. It didn't sound good.
02 December 2021, 09:44 AM
ShiroKuro
I can't bring myself to... Curse


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02 December 2021, 10:25 AM
CHAS
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Originally posted by ShiroKuro:
I can't bring myself to... Curse


Ditto


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02 December 2021, 11:28 AM
pianojuggler
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Originally posted by CHAS:
quote:
Originally posted by ShiroKuro:
I can't bring myself to... Curse


Ditto
Same.


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02 December 2021, 06:50 PM
Daniel
I can't either.
02 December 2021, 08:10 PM
Steve Miller
It all seems a bit like Kabuki theater.

The Roberts court is a sham. I wonder if he realizes that?


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03 December 2021, 01:06 PM
jon-nyc
I've never heard such clear signaling of how the justices feel about a case in oral arguments before.


Unless someone changes their mind, it seems like a 5-3-1 case with 1 being Roberts who wants to allow the Mississippi law without totally overturning Roe/Casey.


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03 December 2021, 05:16 PM
Steve Miller
Life tenure is supposed to mean you can do the right thing. I’m a little surprised that Roberts is such a weasel.

OTOH, RvW was always something of a kluge. A decent Congress could fix it if they wanted to.


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03 December 2021, 05:43 PM
jon-nyc
I occupy a rather tiny Venn diagram of people who are pro-choice and think Roe was a bad ruling. However I am not particularly excited about it being struck down. I also am sympathetic to Roberts’s institutionalism in general and it often results in him siding with the liberal wing, or at least concurring with the liberal wing. (e.g. the ACA ruling). In this particular case he seems to be searching for a way to salvage some of Roe, if not Casey.

I also think that progressives have gotten progressively (see what I did there?) lazy and over-rely on their control of institutions to impose change on society rather than doing the hard (or as Yglesias would say, ‘slow boring’) work of building democratic consensus. It may seem effective in the moment but it leads to far less stable results, and can backfire with the electorate.


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