Piano Chord Helps with Nightmares...

28 October 2022, 12:35 PM

Piano*Dad

New nightmare "treatment"

Hearing a piano chord while imagining a more positive ending to a scary dream was part of an experimental method that led to fewer nightmares!

OK, what's the rather glaring piece of missing information in this article?

28 October 2022, 01:52 PM

big al

I'm guessing you would like to hear the chord they use.

I was unaware of this type of therapy or of the number of people who suffer recurring nightmares. I very seldom have them, but if I do, returning to sleep is not always an easy choice.

I do have dreams of a certain recurring pattern that are only interrupted by awakening as far as I can perceive. They generally involve trying to go someplace or return home and encountering obstacle after obstacle - missing passport, ticket, or money; wrong turns or misdirections; failed connections; unknown places; disagreements with a traveling companion if one exists in the particular dream; etc. I don't classify these dreams as nightmares because they don't end in a disaster but simply go on and on until I awake. Perhaps they have become more frequent since my mobility has been restricted. I think it could be somehow related since sometimes I'm disappointed in awakening without dreaming how the situation resolves itself.

Big Al

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28 October 2022, 01:56 PM

Piano*Dad

quote:
I'm guessing you would like to hear the chord they use.

Yep. I would be happy simply to know the chord. I'm sure I'm still capable of replicating it myself!

29 October 2022, 06:52 AM

ShiroKuro

quote:
Originally posted by Piano*Dad:
quote:
I'm guessing you would like to hear the chord they use.

Yep. I would be happy simply to know the chord. I'm sure I'm still capable of replicating it myself!

I’m confused, the chord was in the article.

It’s written as C69, which looks funny because the numbers aren’t superscripted, but it’s a C major with the 6th and 9th added: C-E-G-A-D.

29 October 2022, 07:11 AM

Mary Anna

I imagine that it's the secret chord that David played to please the Lord.

29 October 2022, 09:13 AM

Axtremus

quote:
Originally posted by ShiroKuro:
C-E-G-A-D.

That’s also a pentatonic scale.

29 October 2022, 09:26 AM

Piano*Dad

quote:
It’s written as C69, which looks funny because the numbers aren’t superscripted, but it’s a C major with the 6th and 9th added: C-E-G-A-D.

I missed that!

29 October 2022, 09:42 AM

Piano*Dad

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Perogamvros said they used the C69 piano chord, but emphasized that the sound itself does not matter in the context of TMR. He added, though, that it would be preferable to “avoid a sound with some strong connotations, like, for example, a negatively connotated sound.”

Yeah, negative connotations ...

Tritone anyone ...

29 October 2022, 10:31 AM

jodi

quote:
Originally posted by Mary Anna:
I imagine that it's the secret chord that David played to please the Lord.

29 October 2022, 10:41 AM

ShiroKuro

This whole thing about using a piano chord is kinda bugging me.

I think having the same chords just repeated would be kinda yucky.... Why did they choose a single piano chord instead of other options, like more than one chord or an actual piece of music. Why did they choose piano and not guitar? Or harp?

Also I think they need to re-do the study and add experimental groups of musicians and non-musicians.

I need answers.....

29 October 2022, 11:11 AM

big al

I don't know how they came to choose a piano chord to elicit a response, but auditory signals have a long history in psychological experiments. I'm reminded of Pavlov and his dogs.

Big Al

29 October 2022, 12:23 PM

piqué

I'm thinking that the pitch level of the tuning and the stretch between intervals in the tuning would make a big difference in the therapeutic (if any) effect.

29 October 2022, 02:10 PM

RealPlayer

Well, it sort of sounds like BS to me. But it could be a very satisfying chord, especially in a wider, more open note distribution, say with c in the deep bass and others spread across adjacent octaves. And why piano? It would be more effective played as a drone, with orchestral sounds, or even electronically.

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