You know all those moderates and progressives who will vote for the Democratic candidate if their preferred choice is the nominee?

But have said, they won’t be able to vote for some of the other candidates, even as a vote against Trump?

Think of everyone you know who fits that category.

How many of them aren’t Caucasian? Any?

I’ll admit that I’ve heard a couple of minorities say they simply won’t vote for Pete. But it’s definitely a fractional minority of all the people stamping their feet and holding their breath for or against Bernie, or Elizabeth.

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How many of them aren’t Caucasian? Any?

Enough to get Trump elected in 2016. Compare the African American turnout in PA and MI and WI between 2012 and 2016

I meant, this year.

Some people have realized what’s at stake. Some haven’t.

Signs are pointing to more people of color voting for Trump in 2020 than in 2016. Stay tuned.

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Originally posted by Horace:
Signs are pointing to more people of color voting for Trump in 2020 than in 2016. Stay tuned.

Cite?

Nope I don’t have a cite. But I welcome judgment in retrospect if you keep it in mind till the election.

I remember the first time I asked for a cite and was told that facts no longer matter.

It was at that exact moment I realized we were well and truly hosed.

Well I wouldn’t go extrapolating the end of the world just because someone somewhere made a prediction you hope doesn’t come true.

My reasons for making the prediction are purely anecdotal. Just like Quirt’s observation that started this thread.

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Originally posted by Horace:
Well I wouldn’t go extrapolating the end of the world just because someone somewhere made a prediction you hope doesn’t come true.

My reasons for making the prediction are purely anecdotal. Just like Quirt’s observation that started this thread.

Cute, and the reason why I left several Internet forums.

I like facts. Feel free to troll as you like.

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Originally posted by Horace:
Well I wouldn’t go extrapolating the end of the world just because someone somewhere made a prediction you hope doesn’t come true.

My reasons for making the prediction are purely anecdotal. Just like Quirt’s observation that started this thread.

Not quite. I asked each person to think about the people they knew ... i.e., their own personal knowledge base.

And then I gave my own observation.

You are getting to be quite expert at trolling. Props.

Gosh I've never seen a prediction held to such rigorous scientific standards. I appreciate that you're both entirely objective fact-based thinkers and that you're reacting to my lack of evidence rather than the prediction itself. I'm sure you'd react the same way had I predicted a zero vote total for Trump from people of color in 2020. Because it's all about the facts for you two.

I've heard several long-form discussions with people of color who are in positions of cultural leadership, one of whom has even started a PAC, who are making this prediction, and I buy it and am making the prediction myself. It is in fact a rather humble prediction. That Trump will get something north of the votes he got in 2016 from people of color. That's not necessarily saying much.

"Are you better off today than you were four years ago" still carries a powerful punch. I don't care what group you are in.

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Originally posted by Mikhailoh:
"Are you better off today than you were four years ago" still carries a powerful punch. I don't care what group you are in.

That is fair.

However, if you are Hispanic (or Latino, in case I am confusing the terms), you may be an immigrant, you may be related to or friends with immigrants, you may know people who'd like to immigrate, etc. For that not-insubstantial group, I imagine they won't necessarily answer your question based strictly on economic data.

Likewise, if you have a pre-existing health condition and are watching with any degree of attention (a large assumption, I know), you might have concerns about your economic future.

Likewise, if you are a senior citizen or are close to being a senior citizen, and if you've paid any attention at all to Trump's or McConnell's comments about Social Security and Medicare being addressed in the second term, you might have different short-term and long-term views about your economic situation.

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Originally posted by Horace:
Gosh I've never seen a prediction held to such rigorous scientific standards. I appreciate that you're both entirely objective fact-based thinkers and that you're reacting to my lack of evidence rather than the prediction itself. I'm sure you'd react the same way had I predicted a zero vote total for Trump from people of color in 2020. Because it's all about the facts for you two.

I've heard several long-form discussions with people of color who are in positions of cultural leadership, one of whom has even started a PAC, who are making this prediction, and I buy it and am making the prediction myself. It is in fact a rather humble prediction. That Trump will get something north of the votes he got in 2016 from people of color. That's not necessarily saying much.

You are using the term "people of color" in a way that gives you enormous room to fudge. Please be specific. African-Americans? Hispanic-Americans (or Latinos)? Asian-Americans? Are you predicting higher vote totals for each group, or for all together, and are you including all, or only some?

And are you talking raw vote totals, or percentages?

I know a full-blooded native American who will not vote for Pete. She says she is not alone.