A nightmarish thought experiment...

https://www.vox.com/policy-and...own-lawrence-douglas

Should he stay? Should he go? But YES ...

This is a long-standing supposition about Trump's (very) probable refusal to step down for whatever rationalized justification if and when he is "deposed" by an election or otherwise.

Not only about his refusal, but the threat of armed insurrection by his angry supporters (especially in the red states, and especially in the South). Many have publicly stated this intention, and reminded us "Libtards" that they have a massive arsenal including ammo much prepared for just such a "provocation".

Kind of taking up the gauntlet once more of the (never reconciled by them) Civil War.

One active member of TNCR (there from the gitgo)* has spoken of this on numerous occasions representing himself as one of many. I am sure he would not deny this and I take him seriously.

Then too, there is a human tendency to want to use weapons and other supplies one has accumulated. It would be interesting to learn just how many weapons and how much ammo is, in fact, in their hands. Certainly, many multiples of what could ever be justified on the grounds of self-defense per capita or what is available on "our" side. Over decades, they have for the most part, collected their citizen's militia with just such a conflict in mind. That, and the classic wish to protect themselves and their families against (the usual) armed "bad guys" threatening them in their homes or in public.

One of the big questions is, could such a red citizen insurrection count on government support, from any combination of the army (Martial Law), National Guard and other armed forces.

*Nb. Edited to avoid naming the TNCR member specifically.

So [that tncr member] says that he, among many others, are prepared to launch an armed insurrection if Trump loses the election and refuses to vacate the presidency?

I would not quote him as specifically relating an armed insurrection to Trump's losing the election. Rather, instead, to a general sense on the part of the "Reds" (funny how generic labels like this one based on color can change so drastically over time!) that they are being dominated by what they see as their opposition.

It is such a recurrent theme, it would be impossible to recall every context in which such a warning has occurred. Namely, that the well-armed demographic in question are prepared, even eager, to fight for what they see as their rights and principles.

If the election is generally deemed fair, Trump loses, refuses to vacate, and generates armed sympathy, the sympathizers will likely feel the full weight of the police and military if they use force against the public.

OMG!

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Originally posted by Amanda:
"Reds" (funny how generic labels like this one based on color can change so drastically over time!)

As in "better dead than Red"?

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Originally posted by Piano*Dad:
If the election is generally deemed fair, Trump loses, refuses to vacate, and generates armed sympathy, the sympathizers will likely feel the full weight of the police and military if they use force against the public.

I certainly hope so, but there are highly educated people who doubt that is a foregone conclusion.

For such an election outcome (going against Trump) to be "generally deemed fair", I think you are forgetting the degree to which the populace has become polarized. Likewise, the unlikelihood that Trump himself would consider such a loss fair and square instead of the product of cheating.

The word "generally" would be awfully hard to define by any popular consensus.

I well remember how even in the last election he won (contrary to almost all expectation on both sides), he continued to rail against being cheated out of his rightful win (forget his exact word. Help!?) for a while even after the electoral college had brought in his win.

Heartbreaking humor (for me and my "side", at least).

He and his supporters are not about to recognize anything but his victory as fairly arrived at. After all (among other arguments) the FAKE Media will be alleged to have manipulated popular opinion - among SO many rationales for his nominal (to them) loss. (Voter fraud, etc.)

He wins a second term after looking like there is no chance. It's been preordained...

https://www.benjaminlcorey.com...iblical-predictions/

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He and his supporters are not about to recognize anything but his victory as fairly arrived at.

Even before the 2016 election, during the debates, he was asked if he would accept the results of the election if he lost and he said something along the lines of "he would think about it".

This man does not understand the rule of law in the United States of America. He never has -- given his history of weaponizing the courts against whoever he didn't like on a particular day.

It is amazing and should have been deeply disturbing that the question would even be asked in the first place. But anyone who has paid an iota of attention to I-1 over the years would not be surprised that the question was asked, or at his answer. After all, he had recently broken the fundamental terms of a contract with the U.S. Government over the Old Post Office site (now his stoopid hotel). This is the guy who stiffed a piano dealer. He believes, at his core, that rules don't apply to him. And he has spent his entire life confirming that belief.

So, why would he think the U.S. Constitution is any different?

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I well remember how even in the last election he won (contrary to almost all expectation on both sides), he continued to rail against being cheated out of his rightful win...

He went on and on about how he could not possibly have lost the popular vote and made up millions of people who voted illegally to cost him the popular vote. Everything to him is a popularity contest and some twisted, immature, superficial concept he calls "winning".

Maybe the only way to deal with this dotard is to tell him he won, but then tell him that the White House has been moved to Manhattan (to the 86th floor of his 58-story building), and hire some people to pretend to be world leaders he can call and collude with every day.

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...the well-armed demographic in question are prepared, even eager, to fight for what they see as their rights and principles.

Sounds very similar to what happened 160 years ago and, as you mentioned, many feel was never settled.

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Originally posted by rontuner:
He wins a second term after looking like there is no chance. It's been preordained...

https://www.benjaminlcorey.com...iblical-predictions/

I can't remember how many times I've said I would clearly identify Trump as the AntiChrist if only I were Christian.

(And however easy it may be to cherry pick various excerpts from classic texts/prophecies in order to
"prove" the identity of aspects of the present in them, yes, the Book of Revelations does lend itself especially well to matching with Trump.)

It remains incredible to me that anyone (on either side) could seriously doubt the capacity of Trump and his loyal followers to fight for his supremacy in an election. That is, regardless of its actual outcome.

They might mince words in how they'd justify it, but I think they'd regard it as their bounden duty to do so on moral grounds. Funny to consider that these loyalists are the most dedicated (at least, nominally) to the sacrosanct nature of the Constitution!

I find myself unpleasantly reminded now of how and why the two wings of the Old Coffee Room were forcibly split before and after the critical Gore/Bush election.

Meanwhile, in Crown Point.

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Following a peaceful protest in Crown Point, the protesters were met twice by armed bystanders.

On Monday, a group of around 40 protesters supporting the Black Lives Matter movement held a demonstration in the city’s square, a popular area of Crown Point.

Cedric Caschetta, 20, felt compelled to attend after growing up as one of the only African Americans in Lowell, a town about nine miles south of Crown Point.

Caschetta told WGN the demonstration was peaceful and he was able to pray with the mayor and police chief in wake of the death of George Floyd. He said around 100 people stood on the other side on the street and watched the demonstration take place.

After the demonstration in the square, protesters continued to march north on Main Street.

While on the march, the protesters were met with men armed with rifles and one bat as they kept moving north.

After going north on Main Street for a few blocks, the protesters wanted to head back to the square where they met.

Crown Point police escorted the group back south on a bike trail right off Main Street. While on the walk back to the square, a group of bystanders, including eight men holding rifles, were outside of a subdivision.

Caschetta met them with a smile as he held his sign down the line. He said none of the men looked at him.

https://wgntv.com/news/protest...tion-in-crown-point/