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21 February 2023, 08:28 PM
CHAS
No thread yet on the train derailment in Ohio?
The braking system being avoided is probably similar to the one required on passenger trains in Europe. Several died in a train crash in the east and there was a call for a safety braking system then. Politicians in the US have been listening to the RR companies so far.


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Several people have eaten my cooking and survived.

22 February 2023, 06:10 AM
CHAS
A friend was looking at Instagram and told me that the toxins in the river were moving to the Mississippi. She asked how much damage would my farmland suffer from the deaths of everything along the river. From what she said a lot of Instagram posts were focused on this matter.
I told her I expect the toxins to be diluted enough that any damage would not be widespread.
I wanted to say that the toxins in the environment had already destroyed common sense in far too many people.


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Several people have eaten my cooking and survived.

22 February 2023, 08:22 AM
wtg
quote:
Originally posted by Steve Miller:
So - who pays for this?


Norfolk Southern, apparently.

quote:
The US Environmental Protection Agency yesterday ordered rail company Norfolk Southern to clean up the contamination from the East Palestine, Ohio, train wreck. The move comes more than two weeks after emergency crews carried out a controlled burn of the leaked chemicals on the train, releasing toxic hydrogen chloride and phosgene gas over the area.

Under what's commonly known as the Superfund law, the EPA directed Norfolk Southern to follow an approved remediation plan, which includes attending public meetings, sharing information publicly, and paying for cleaning services offered to residents and businesses. If Norfolk Southern fails to comply, the EPA warned it would perform the work itself and seek triple damages.


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22 February 2023, 11:05 AM
big al
If anyone wants to know a lot more about train braking systems, this web page (Electro-Pneumatic Brakes) provides a clear and extensive explanation.

I also found this GAO report on the rulemaking pertaining to ECP brakes TRAIN BRAKING DOT’s Rulemaking on Electronically Controlled Pneumatic Brakes Could Benefit from Additional Data and Transparency. If you're going to require a change that could affect the approximately 1.6 million freight cars in the US fleet, you want to do it right.

I do think ECP braking systems of some sort will be applied to freight railroads and this accident will probably push that along faster, much as some accidents led to the eventual adoption of Positive Train Control (PTC) requirements.

Big Al


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22 February 2023, 05:58 PM
Daniel
Disaster.
22 February 2023, 09:12 PM
big al
Hyperbole, Daniel.

Big Al


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Money seems to buy the most happiness when you give it away.

Why does everything have to be so complicated, all in the name of convenience. -ShiroKuro

A lifetime of experience will change a person. If it doesn't, then you're already dead inside. -MarkJ

23 February 2023, 03:43 PM
wtg
Preliminary NTSB report is out.

Local reporting:

https://www.wtae.com/article/n...-derailment/43041391

NTSB report:

https://htv-prod-media.s3.amaz...stine-1677167554.pdf


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23 February 2023, 04:15 PM
Daniel
Well, again, I wouldn't want to be living there now, as governments rush in to say everything's fine, and will be, when they couldn't possibly know.
24 February 2023, 05:17 PM
Daniel
https://abc13.com/amp/ohio-tra...ris-county/12866854/
04 March 2023, 02:17 PM
Daniel
https://youtu.be/gctwmwpA4is
11 March 2023, 07:09 PM
wtg
ProPublica has a piece on the testing.

https://www.propublica.org/art...orfolk-southern-cteh


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12 March 2023, 01:21 PM
CHAS
A light rail passenger train derailed in the Denver Metro.
Wondering whether the incident in Ohio has made derailments newsworthy. Are derailments common?


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12 March 2023, 01:38 PM
wtg
Almost 5 a day.

https://www.khou.com/article/n...16-a3a2-262942d50ec8

I don't know how many of those derailments involved hazardous materials, which of course is the East Palestine issue....

edit: Derailments involving hazardous materials..

https://www.kcra.com/article/h...ilment-risk/42925266


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