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I imagine some non-resident students who are considering going to Purdue are reconsidering in favor of other equally good alternatives in other states. Notre Dame is probably still OK because of its Catholic base.
 
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Time for Lilly to find a better environment.


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Lilly will not leave Indianapolis any more than P&G would leave Cincinnati. I know quite a bit about the internal culture. They may locate future endeavors elsewhere, but the HQ will stay put.


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Lilly will not leave Indianapolis any more than P&G would leave Cincinnati. I know quite a bit about the internal culture. They may locate future endeavors elsewhere, but the HQ will stay put.


They didn't say they were leaving. They were quite specific in saying they weren't doing that. They said they'd plan for more employment growth "outside their home state".
 
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Anecdotally, we're hearing a lot of talk about how students are taking the state's stance re: abortion into account when applying to colleges. Given the general decline in enrollment in higher ed, and the fact that the majority of students are now women, this may prove to be a significant competitive edge to be in a state that still offers abortions.

Again, anecdotally, but it would be interesting to check out the hypothesis in a few years.
 
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anecdotally, but it would be interesting to check out the hypothesis in a few years.


I'm not sure how you'd ever manage to figure it out without confounding variables.

How would you ever know that it wasn't because of climate change (states with strict abortion laws will, on average, be more southern), or other political factors, for example.
 
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You ask them, using one or more of a variety of survey methods, then correlate it with enrollment and persistence data.
 
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I'm not sure how you'd ever manage to figure it out without confounding variables.


You can easily control for confounding variables if you can measure them. But you're still left with interesting correlations. You want to go more toward causality and you need some sort of ...

Natural Experiment

I can imagine lots of economists are already planning out (salivating at, actually) some sort of "diff-in-diff" model to evaluate the consequences of Dobbs.

Difference-in-Difference estimation
 
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I think people don’t think much about abortion until they need one.

I highly doubt that students picking a college will care whether abortion is available. They will see it as a problem they will worry about later. Especially since most college students do not come from poor families and have the means to cross state lines if it comes to that.
 
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Abortion bans are already impacting doctor recruitment.... Doesn't bode well for red states. (sorry if it's pay walled...)

https://www.washingtonpost.com...ernity-health-obgyn/
 
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You ask them, using one or more of a variety of survey methods, then correlate it with enrollment and persistence data.


You'd have to find, just as an example, a kid who got into both Indiana and SUNY Buffalo (is it Buffalo University now?), and then ask them. You don't necessarily know which kids at Buffalo got into (and were considering) Indiana.

And then you have to assume that they are answering truthfully. They might not want to tell you, for example, that the deciding factor was expense, because they were from New York State, or that they wanted to stay closer to family. They might have an interest, for political reasons, in saying it was Indiana's abortion law.

I think the old saw about "lies, damned lies, and statistics" will apply here.
 
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You ask them, using one or more of a variety of survey methods, then correlate it with enrollment and persistence data.


You'd have to find, just as an example, a kid who got into both Indiana and SUNY Buffalo (is it Buffalo University now?), and then ask them. You don't necessarily know which kids at Buffalo got into (and were considering) Indiana.

And then you have to assume that they are answering truthfully. They might not want to tell you, for example, that the deciding factor was expense, because they were from New York State, or that they wanted to stay closer to family. They might have an interest, for political reasons, in saying it was Indiana's abortion law.

I think the old saw about "lies, damned lies, and statistics" will apply here.


No, no one cares about Indiana per se. It represents a broader phenomenon of schools in states with broad bans versus schools in states with broad access. See my post above on general techniques for causal analysis.
 
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I will be interested to see if there is a critique-free way of testing this hypothesis.

Which is not to say that I disagree. I'd certainly be encouraging my own daughters to ignore acceptances at schools located in states with regressive abortion laws. But there are also plenty of kids who are locked into their school choices because of lower in-state tuition, travel costs, the need to live at home, or any one of a myriad of other factors.
 
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I highly doubt that students picking a college will care whether abortion is available


Maybe not for undergrad but grad students. I’m seeing people on Twitter talking about how a state’s abortion laws will inform where they apply or go for grad school and also for post-docs. And some people are saying it will inform where they do their job hunting as well.

It remains to be seen whether this is just talk, but it certainly is something people are taking about.


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