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It was a couple of years ago when Steve Bannon was quoted saying, "The Democrats don't matter. The real opposition is the media. And the way to deal with them is to flood the zone with s--t."

With this in mind, you probably heard this week from your weird relatives who consume conservative media all day, with emails about a New York Post story that was literally unbelievable. The details are a convoluted mess -- they involve Hunter Biden, a Ukrainian gas company, an alleged laptop, some alleged emails, and an unnamed shop owner in Delaware -- which the conservative tabloid learned of by way of Bannon and Rudy Giuliani.

The problem -- one of them, anyway -- is that the underlying premise of the allegations were discredited quite a while ago, which is why most major news organizations had the good sense to steer clear of the New York Post's report.

Making matters worse is the fact that this effort to "flood the zone with s--t" appears to be backfiring. NBC News reported overnight:

Federal investigators are examining whether the emails allegedly describing activities by Joe Biden and his son Hunter and found on a laptop at a Delaware repair shop are linked to a foreign intelligence operation, two people familiar with the matter told NBC News.

What was apparently intended to be Giuliani's "October Surprise" is looking like the product of a Russian intelligence operation directed at the U.S. presidential election.


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The Washington Post also reported overnight that U.S. intelligence agencies "warned the White House last year that President Trump's personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani was the target of an influence operation by Russian intelligence." U.S. officials "raised concerns that Giuliani was being used to feed Russian misinformation to the president."

The article added, "The former officials said Giuliani was not a target of U.S. surveillance while in Ukraine but was dealing with suspected Russian assets who were, leading to the capture of some of his communications."


https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-m...-backfiring-n1243707


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I'm starting to think that Giuliani isn't too bright.
 
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Originally posted by Nina:
I'm starting to think that Giuliani isn't too bright.


Starting?

That ship sailed a long time ago.


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I suspect that NO ONE who is persuadable is giving this "story" one GD bit of attention.

Why would "smart" people presume that a tactic that worked when it was new and had shock value (i.e. the opposition was surprised and didn't have a thoughtful riposte) would work just as well four years later?
 
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I'm starting to think that Giuliani isn't too bright.


Starting?

That ship sailed a long time ago.


I'd say that ship is in the briny deep.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/...o-dig-dirt-on-bidens

And wait! There's more!!! A possible second laptop...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/...nter-biden-kompromat


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"The nation’s floundering government is now administered by a gangster regime."

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A) I'm not giving this laptop stuff any credibility at this point.

B) Even if the laptop information is real, I doubt any of this will gain traction in the last two weeks amidst the cacaphanous noise the emerges from Trump.

I would say this about laptops ...

A number of years ago W&M organized a breakfast for a small group of faculty with Robert Gates who is our honorary chancellor. This was in the middle of the flap about the US supposedly tapping Merkel's cellphone conversations. I asked him how common this kind of "research" actually is. He replied that they all do it to each other and regaled us with lots of stories. One in particular concerned laptops.

He was speaking to an audience of business people and asked how many had been in Paris recently. Most of the hands shot up. He asked how many had stayed in hotels. All the hands shot up. He then asked how many had taken their laptops with them at all times, never leaving it in the room. No hands shot up. Then he told them that there was a very high probability that French agents entered their rooms when they were out and downloaded the contents of their laptops to be probed for industrial information that might be of benefit to French companies (public and private) in competing with those business peoples' firms.

Obtaining the contents of a laptop isn't very difficult, apparently.
 
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When Fox News passes on your questionable Trump-friendly scoop, you know something is really off: "Fox News was first approached by Rudy Giuliani to report on a tranche of files alleged to have come from Hunter Biden’s unclaimed laptop left at a Delaware computer repair shop, but that the news division chose not to run the story unless or until the sourcing and veracity of the emails could be properly vetted."


https://gothamist.com/news/ext...ra-spooky-ghost-dogs


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I just wanna say one thing... anyone in I-1's orbit who is trying to make hay with carp about Biden's son...

Seriously?

You're surrounded by an entire family based on grift 'n' graft. Ivanka's trademarks in China. Eric "running" the family bizness. Little Donny doing gawd knows what besides having meetings with Russians who promise dirt on the other candidate. Plus Jared's real estate fraud, Lara's lies, and Gilfoyle (whom Donny was apparently well-acquainted with while he was still married to his previous) and her revolting sexual harassment.

You wanna talk about someone who made money off his family connections and access to an elected official?

Really?


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I guess I'm not the only one...


The stunning hypocrisy of the Trump family's attacks on Hunter Biden
https://www.vox.com/2020/10/21...corruption-explained

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Donald Jr. and Eric may be two of their father’s key campaign surrogates and regularly appear on Fox News to discuss politics (making a mockery of their pre-inauguration promise to stay out of their father’s administration while running the family business), but Ivanka and her husband Jared Kushner actually work in the White House. Their most recent financial disclosure indicates that politics has been lucrative for them, as they reported at least $36.2 million in income in 2019. And in 2018, Kushner received a massive cash infusion from Qatar.

As Robert Maguire, research director for CREW, told Vox, “one way to think about this is: Imagine if Hunter Biden passed his time during the Obama administration working to sustain and promote a business that not only he profited from, but Joe Biden did also. Then, on top of that, imagine that Joe Biden himself spent day after day in office openly and single-mindedly promoting that same business, in his official capacity, through glowing statements and hundreds of visits to the business, resulting in hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxpayer money being spent there — along with special-interest and foreign money.”

"If all of that were true, it still wouldn’t be as corrupt as what we’ve seen over four years of the Trump administration," Maguire added.


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Did Hunter Biden not sign "consulting" contracts with Ukrainian oil companies worth millions?
 
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